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SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse-(short KWdG)-1897-1914-by Nils Langemann-scale 1:144-POF-first German four stacker of the Norddeutscher Lloyd line

four stacker express passenger liner passenger steamer Atlantic liner

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                                                          Introduction

 

 

"SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse"  (119 year old passenger expressliner)

 
Fascinated by this beautifull  22,5 knots, 197,7 m long Atlantic runner, built by Vulcan shipyard Stettin, and launched in year 1897, 119 years ago, I started exploring if there would be any build plans available for building a model of this super liner. The “Kaiser Wilhem der Grosse”, short KWdG was the first luxurious German twin screw fourstacker of the North German Lloyd for the Bremerhaven-New York route and became awarded with the blue ribband for fastest Atlantic crossings at turn of the century.
 
The ship was initialy equipped with two 3-blade counter rotating screws and later on with two 4-blade screws with blades seperately bolted to the hubs. The ship has a streamlined hull (stern underwater shape) with underwater rudder system, as we also  know from Cunard`s “greyhounds” twins (Mauretania and Lusitania) later on, built in 1906.
 
Due to the size, the models length should not exceed 1500 mm and so I chose the scale 1:144, resulting in 1372 mm overall length. Knowing that it’s a tough and ambitious scale to tackle, at least there may be some few photo-etched general parts available in 1:144, for use, if my house made build capability can not deal with.
 
Unfortunately I could not find any plan, but found some for modelists valuable historic detail information on the web. With a portion of luck I also found and bought an odd set of the card build KWdG, which is out of production at the moment, totally sold out, and perhaps may find a revival by end of this year, acc. to the editoring and Publishing company. The card version may give important (when enlarged) rating for my model and it`s fitting out at a very much later time.
 
To get along now, I am designing my own frame-plan after the gathered information, for keellaying  and kicking off the build this summer, as my “HMS Pegasus”, Swan Class is in the completion phase at the moment.
This project shall probably be my greatest challenge since I started building model ships, and I estimate that it may take between 2,5-3 years to complete as a static POF scratch built model
 
Nils
 
 
Preperation phase.......
 
 
Build log part 1
 
 
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The four funnels are situated in two groups
 
 
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here still the originaly equipped 3-blade screws with bolted on blades. The center window outcut is not for a third propellor (like Titanic), but for preventation of fouling  the slightly overlapping prop-circles, stagered in propshaft lengths
 
 
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this dry dock pic shows the four-blade screws (note the seperate bolted prop-blades to the hubs)
 
 
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The card model in scale 1:250
 
 
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This is a mini cast-model in scale 1:1250
 
 
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starting with the frames design
 
 
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note the different propshaft lengths, the prop circles are a bit overlapping within the centre window outcut area at the stern heel
 
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further with frames plan.....
 
 
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here a little mock up for the width of deck planking (2mm) versa figurines of only 12 mm hight in scale 1:144
 
 
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this plastic box already contains the raw ply-wooden frame outlines (26 frames), ready for cutting out the contours. For the frames I am using up all my "left over" plywood 
 
 
Nils

Edited by Mirabell61, 14 January 2017 - 10:27 AM.

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Hi Nils

At last! I've been wondering when you were going to start this build log after mentioning your intention to build this super liner in one of your previous posts. Please allow me to take centre stage. I can easily spend the next 2.5 to 3 years following and enjoying your progress.

All the best!

Cheers

Patrick
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Sorry Nils, but 2.5 - 3 years for a 'normal' experienced builder (actually probably more like 3 to 4).

 

You, I am betting on under 2 years to completion.

 

Mark


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We're in for 2 -3 (to be determined) interesting years.

 

Jan


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Looks like its going to quite the build Nils, I am betting shes going to be a beauty

 

Best Regards,

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Good Morning Nils I will be following along for the ride as well.

 

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Hi Nils

At last! I've been wondering when you were going to start this build log after mentioning your intention to build this super liner in one of your previous posts. Please allow me to take centre stage. I can easily spend the next 2.5 to 3 years following and enjoying your progress.

All the best!

Cheers

Patrick

Hi Patrick,

yes, the decision has been made for this model, first I wanted to wait until I have the frame aligning on the slipway, but then I thought one must have confedence in the planing design work, and to push the boat out now.....

I`ve been working on the scale brass four blade, bolted on propellors and shall probably have some pics tomorrow...

 

Nils


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Sorry Nils, but 2.5 - 3 years for a 'normal' experienced builder (actually probably more like 3 to 4).

 

You, I am betting on under 2 years to completion.

 

Mark

 

 Mark,

I know there will be so many detail problems to solve along the way, but that keeps my mind busy and I love seeking for solutions....

 

Nils


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http://modelshipworl...ne/#entry319621

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We're in for 2 -3 (to be determined) interesting years.

 

Jan

 

Thanks Jan,

I hope you will not be disappointed along the way...

 

Nils


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"SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, 1:144 (scratchbuild)

http://modelshipworl...ne/#entry319621

Completed builds
"HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan  (scratchbuild)
http://modelshipworl...ge-1#entry79523

"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96

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"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild)

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"Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild)

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"Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, (scratchbuild)

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Looks like its going to quite the build Nils, I am betting shes going to be a beauty

 

Best Regards,

Pete

 

Thanks Pete,

 

I`ll put all I can into it

 

Nils


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"SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, 1:144 (scratchbuild)

http://modelshipworl...ne/#entry319621

Completed builds
"HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan  (scratchbuild)
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"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96

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"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild)

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"Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild)

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"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50

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"Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, (scratchbuild)

http://modelshipworl...ed/#entry280917

 


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Good Morning Nils I will be following along for the ride as well.

 

Michael

 

 

Michael,

 

you`re always welcome, hope you shall enjoy

 

Nils


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http://modelshipworl...ne/#entry319621

Completed builds
"HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan  (scratchbuild)
http://modelshipworl...ge-1#entry79523

"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96

http://modelshipworl...ed/#entry159607

"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild)

http://modelshipworl...pleted-to-d/page-1#entry168883

"Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild)

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"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50

http://modelshipworl...er/#entry182678

"Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, (scratchbuild)

http://modelshipworl...ed/#entry280917

 


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Nils,

 

I built the model of the KWdG that's in the Schiffahrtsmuseum in Bremerhaven. I still have the master-hull in 1:100 scale. If you want it you can have (for a small fee). :)

Let me know what you think.

 

Regards

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Hi Peter,

 

and many thanks, I feel very much honored that you contacted me on KWdG behalf......., I`ll send you a PM tomorrow

 

Regards,

 

Nils


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"SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, 1:144 (scratchbuild)

http://modelshipworl...ne/#entry319621

Completed builds
"HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan  (scratchbuild)
http://modelshipworl...ge-1#entry79523

"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96

http://modelshipworl...ed/#entry159607

"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild)

http://modelshipworl...pleted-to-d/page-1#entry168883

"Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild)

http://modelshipworl...to-date/#entry16246

"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50

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"Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, (scratchbuild)

http://modelshipworl...ed/#entry280917

 


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She will make a beautiful model, Nils, with the added interest of that unusual propeller configuration.

 

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Hi John,

 

thanks for looking in, and yes, I was`nt aware of that propeller configuration before I started studying this ship......., but it makes sense and I learnt that there were also british liners of that period with props in this configuration. Concerning the bolted on blades of the two outer screws, also the RMS Titanic and it`s White Star Line sisters bear that design

 

Nils


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"SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, 1:144 (scratchbuild)

http://modelshipworl...ne/#entry319621

Completed builds
"HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan  (scratchbuild)
http://modelshipworl...ge-1#entry79523

"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96

http://modelshipworl...ed/#entry159607

"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild)

http://modelshipworl...pleted-to-d/page-1#entry168883

"Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild)

http://modelshipworl...to-date/#entry16246

"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50

http://modelshipworl...er/#entry182678

"Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, (scratchbuild)

http://modelshipworl...ed/#entry280917

 


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what a pleasant surprise to come in this morning and find this wonderful build log started  :)    looking at your past builds of these fine vessels,  man.....I've got to sit in!  gonna be a beauty!  ;)

 

nice bit of info about the props.......she does kinda mirror the Titanic in a way,  doesn't she  ;)


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Build log part 2

 

 

I know it sounds strange to start making the propellers where the hull is not even on the slipway, but I was wondering if I could make them from brass, as they are a typical detail, in the way they were designed 118 years ago......., and as I`ve never seen such model props on the model market, it would be a pitty if I had to fit regular model brass props

 

 

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I fell in love with these elegant stern lines, designed for speed

 

 

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here some of the detail parts, in total there are 38 to be made single parts per prop, port- and stb. props rotate counterclockwise with appr. blade twists

 

 

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raw hub with mounted, drilled and slotted calottes to take up the blades. The slot orientation is set with card template angle jig. The hub raw material is 8 mm squarebar, with centerline boring and M3 thread

 

 

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blades soldered on and brushed over, the soldering per gas tourch was quite tricky

 

 

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started to fit the resembled blade fastening bolts with distance sleeves and hexagonal dome nuts. Here six bolts (in actual would be 8 or 10, but that was to tricky for me to drill at that scale...

 

 

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The actual props had a diam. of 6800 mm, resulting in 47,2 mm model scale 1:144

 

 

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without bolts....

 

 

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with bolts

 

 

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the first prop took me 2 days to make, the second 1,5 day (learncurve)

 

 

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here original design drawing with 3-blade hub

 

 

Nils

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Current builds

"SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, 1:144 (scratchbuild)

http://modelshipworl...ne/#entry319621

Completed builds
"HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan  (scratchbuild)
http://modelshipworl...ge-1#entry79523

"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96

http://modelshipworl...ed/#entry159607

"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild)

http://modelshipworl...pleted-to-d/page-1#entry168883

"Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild)

http://modelshipworl...to-date/#entry16246

"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50

http://modelshipworl...er/#entry182678

"Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, (scratchbuild)

http://modelshipworl...ed/#entry280917

 


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Hi Nils

Exemplary metal work. I find it hard to even file a brass rod, and yet you're able to fashion such a beautiful and complex propellor as if it was second nature!

Outstanding stuff!

Cheers

Patrick
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Beautifully executed, Nils! I would have been tempted to fake the bolts.


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I'm a little late to the party Nils, but this looks like it's going to be a real beauty. I'm in for the ride!
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