Palladio Posted January 9, 2016 Share #1 Posted January 9, 2016 Please not another „HMS Surprise“ I thought this international forum literally crowded with them, but when I looked through the pages, there were not so many examples, at least they didn´t show up to me jet. Well, there are a few possible approaches to that specific frigate: The real HMS Surprise ex Unité , which was sold (and broken up? ) in 1802 The fictional Frigate from the novels of Patrick O´Brian, beautiful but hopelessly over rigged and, over guned (which was the exact thing I did) The “Movie Surprise” (ex Rose) which played the role of the famous ship so well, that it almost dominates the public impression of the small frigate. When the book "The frigate Surprise" of Brian Lavery, Karl Heinz Marquardt und Geoff Hunt came out, I finally found my personally image of the beloved Surprise. In 2011 I started the project as a classic PoB build, scaled the plans of KH Marquardt to the dimensions of the existing NMM views of the real Surprise, took many details from the various novels of POB and finally the colors and overall appearance from the artwork of Geoff Hunt. Voila! As the Surprise is not jet finished, it is too early for the gallery and somewhat too late for the build log. If you are interested, I show some pictures from “the past” and start rigging up the yards and sails, which will hopefully come to an end this year. dafi, Bobstrake, paulsutcliffe and 16 others 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted January 9, 2016 Share #2 Posted January 9, 2016 Would love to see some more photographs of your lovely model. What scale are you building at? mtaylor 1 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palladio Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share #3 Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) Hello Greg, the scale is 1:48 Well the pictures above represent more or less the actual status, meanwile shrouds and stays have partly been rigged. It all started with a quite conventional framework from plywood. The depicted laser measurement of the completed hull was just a joke, but it turned out quite helpful to fix the waterline... instead of clumpsy carvings I invented a more "impressionist" way of applying plausible looking, but rather indefinite details, using wood putty and photo etched oakleafs. The whole area is painted anyway. Miss "Unité", the figurehead was created from a mixture of materials, using plastic bodyparts, copper and putty. She tured out to have a (late) 19th century look rather than representing the 18th but frankly, I like her Hendrik Edited January 10, 2016 by Palladio mtaylor, WBlakeny, Captain Poison and 18 others 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert Posted January 10, 2016 Share #4 Posted January 10, 2016 Very nice work Hendrik. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted January 10, 2016 Share #5 Posted January 10, 2016 A wonderful Model Hendrik, would have liked to see the prior building sequence pics from begin onwards, much fun with the further rigging, it`s a great model you`re working at.... Nils mtaylor, Bobstrake, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaas Posted January 10, 2016 Share #6 Posted January 10, 2016 I agree with everyone!!!!! Please show us the pictures, i followed this build on a other forum, and it's trully amazing archjofo, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote Current build: HMS Agamemnon 1781 Website: http://www.henkvanluinen.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palladio Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share #7 Posted January 10, 2016 Thank you for your kind welcome contributions Indeed I found some almost forgotten pictures from the early beginning of ths project. Building the bow section I felt inspired by the plank on frame guys Surprises stern is rather unpretentious, she is a french corvette of under 500 tons. Miss Unité as she appeared before make up... and in full dress Most of Surprises metal parts are not brass but alluminium. The Guns The 12pounder guns are too big for such a small frigate, but I followed POB in this detail. Despite the weight, it is empirical obvious that you can´t handle them properly. The barrels are tin casts in silicone molds, the carriages constist of some 50 pieces each Hendrik albert, Dubz, Captain Poison and 19 others 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kees de mol Posted January 10, 2016 Share #8 Posted January 10, 2016 I love the detaills especially the guns! Very nice build mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Current build: Dutch beamtrawler KW88, Pelikaan 1/75 Completed build: Dutch sidetrawler KW49, Antje 1/75 Completed build: Scottisch 10m trawler 1/25 Want to see some real Kitsch... With a capital K?!! Visit my 'museum' here at MSW My blog: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palladio Posted January 12, 2016 Author Share #9 Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) HMS Surprise,"a trim, beautiful little eight-and-twenty,French build with a bluff bow and lovely lines,weatherly, stiff, a fine sea-boat,fast when well handled,roomy, dry…" (Patrick o´Brian) Roomy indeed ...with a max headroom of about 150cm under the forecastle... One of the most important features for the common sailor must have been the pantry. The galley stove was a giant thing concerning the little availlable space. This oven is more or less in working condition but most of the different brass parts are glued together. You don´t see much of it now but at least you know it is there..... Not far away and of similar importance is the waste management system. roomy and definitly not dry... Edited January 12, 2016 by Palladio Rudolf, Seventynet, JerseyCity Frankie and 18 others 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert Posted January 13, 2016 Share #10 Posted January 13, 2016 Hi Palladio, wonderful work. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnobiumPunctatum Posted January 13, 2016 Share #11 Posted January 13, 2016 Hendirk, it's allways nice to see the pictures of your build. Very good work. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfish Posted January 13, 2016 Share #12 Posted January 13, 2016 love it, cant wait to see more Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palladio Posted January 18, 2016 Author Share #13 Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) Lets have a little surprise gathering tonight a litle tribute to Capt. Marryat, the almost (al least in Germany) forgotten godfather of naval storys. Ther are a lot of thíngs that make a quarterdeck looking "authentic", the capstan, the wheel and of course the binnacle. ... and aft of the wheel the (one and only) ships lamp. Edited January 19, 2016 by Palladio Canute, Dubz, aykutansin and 22 others 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert Posted January 18, 2016 Share #14 Posted January 18, 2016 Hi palladio, your work is fantastic, mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM67 Posted January 19, 2016 Share #15 Posted January 19, 2016 Exceptional work here. I would love to see a play by play how-to of some of these items - lamp, stove, capstan, figure head, you name it. G mtaylor, Canute and Bobstrake 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palladio Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share #16 Posted January 20, 2016 Good idea, the problem is, a lot of the "how-to-do" pictures drowned, when a german forum suddenly "capsized" and sank deep in the heard of the internet nirwana... have a look through Jack Aubreys rear windows... Well there still are a few examples to be found in my personal data nirwana.... The Lamp The asymetrical head was formed using copper foil, the base is a ordinary silver bordure from a goldsmith shop. Very useful especially if you don´t like to carve such horribly small parts. Its even better than a photo etching because it´s three dimentional and more convincing. I used it again for the portside galleries. The glas is no glas at all. I employed a conventional laminator (bureau) without putting a sheet of paper in between. This material turned out to be very resistent using cyano acrylate glue ( clear plastic often tents to get "milky") Before the lamp finally became decorated with oak leafes, it looked somewhat "chinese". The side galleries What the hell is that? A part of the original sketch of Mr. Marshal from 1798 and this is my, a little bit flamboyant design... You may have noticed that my HMS Surprise is not symetrical, the starboard side is coppered, the guns are runed out and it features the shown side gallery. The port side... is looking more conventional. (despite the nice Sofia Aubrey portrait of course) Mirabell61, Rudolf, Captain Poison and 19 others 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDM67 Posted January 20, 2016 Share #17 Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) Palladio, I greatly appreciate the how-to on the lamp as well as the different views in the photos. I agree with Dirk, your building style really conveys a life-like warmth. I look forward to more photos and how-tos as your time allows. Best, Gary Edited January 20, 2016 by GDM67 Canute, michael mott, Mirabell61 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfish Posted January 21, 2016 Share #18 Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) i can almost hear the creak of the wood, and feel the spray of the sea. im going to have to watch master and commander: far side of the world again. amazing job, if you play with the lighting a bit you could pass these off as photos of a real ship. Edited January 21, 2016 by lionfish Bobstrake, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted January 21, 2016 Share #19 Posted January 21, 2016 Palladio, wunderbar ! love your model, everything on and around that ship is a delight to see, (fitting out details as well) Nils Bobstrake, NJQUACK, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palladio Posted January 26, 2016 Author Share #20 Posted January 26, 2016 (edited) Thank you all, this is lionfish poetry I found some "how -to´s" concerning two important topics "guns" and "boats". Most of the guns for model ships are either purchased or made, using a machine and brass tubes. (please don´t care for the nickel silver tank tracks, Merkava3D ) More important is the use of master patterns for the various types of gun barrels. In this case the 12pounder long gun.... and the 24pounder caronade. This masters are made from simple epoxy putty, intended for car repairs. I choosed a very low temperature bismuth tin alloy to cast the guns (you can use normal silicone for the moulds) and didn´t mind to use resin parts for the wheels of the carriages. The colour of the barrel is an experiment, in the end I prefered a dull black paint and a drybrush with "gun metal". This is the complete layout of guns for Jack Aubreys Surprise 18punder caronade for the boat, 24 pounder for the upper deck, 12pounder longguns for the main battery and 9pounder longguns for the chasers. Same thing with the boats: I tried to simplyfy the whole procedure for the holiday "workbench". cardboard replaced more elaborate methods: The jollyboat took me three or four days hard holidaywork When the boat was completed, I could´nt withstand to place it in front of the famous church tower of Coullioure (as a tribute zu POB ) My dog "Queequegg" was not amused though... The pinnace is carvel planked but was build the same way. Edited January 27, 2016 by Palladio dj.bobo, avsjerome2003, Kenneth Powell and 24 others 27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted January 27, 2016 Share #21 Posted January 27, 2016 Lovely work. The photo on the beach was very convincing until Queequeg arrived! mtaylor, Canute, paulsutcliffe and 1 other 4 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 27, 2016 Share #22 Posted January 27, 2016 This is poetry.... and beyond. paulsutcliffe, Canute and Bobstrake 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior ole salt Posted January 27, 2016 Share #23 Posted January 27, 2016 Im speechless over the workmanship. SOS Canute, mtaylor, Bobstrake and 1 other 4 Quote New Bedford Whaleboat build. Kit by Model Shipways I've been making progress on my model and according to the instruction booklet I should be painting it, at least parts of it. Are acrylic's ok ? I did apply a sanding sealer. but I want to stain the untreated floor boards which are walnut. Thanks S.O.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyz Posted January 27, 2016 Share #24 Posted January 27, 2016 Palladio, Finding and going through this build log was.... well, a pleasant surprise. Tom mtaylor, paulsutcliffe and Canute 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfish Posted January 27, 2016 Share #25 Posted January 27, 2016 awesome looking guns, i couldnt cast near that quality. the finish on the guns look great, i always had a hard time with finding the right look for weathered guns, i experimented with a mix of ghost grey with aluminum. anyway still a great job Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted January 27, 2016 Share #26 Posted January 27, 2016 congrats Palladio, beautiful handcraft work, that boat on the beach, a nice illusion... Nils Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted January 27, 2016 Share #27 Posted January 27, 2016 Hendrik beautiful job on the Brodie stove, now I know why you mentioned HMS Surprise on my log, lovely work and great looking build Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert Posted January 27, 2016 Share #28 Posted January 27, 2016 Fantastic model, Palladio. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palladio Posted January 27, 2016 Author Share #29 Posted January 27, 2016 Hello Paul, thank you I mentioned it because Patrik O´Brian used poor Captain Pym and his ill fated HMS Sirius when he portrayed that disastrous grand port frigate raid in one of his books ("The Mauritius command") virtually through the eyes of his fictional charakters. Canute, paulsutcliffe and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayohoo Posted February 16, 2016 Share #30 Posted February 16, 2016 Wow. Just Wow. Canute 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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