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My uncle Joe worked for the American Ship Building company after WWII, when he passed away he left me his book collection and in that collection is a catalog from the ASB company. This is a business catalog and there is no copyright to it "that i know of"
Lately i have been working with 3D models to aid with instructions for kits also i got into creating print files for 3D printing. The 3D printing is a high tech tool and process that lends itself well to model building. I was thinking one day, 3D printing is a niche within model ship building, it needed its own genre. What came to mind were engine room dioramas and the mechanics and machines. Harold Hahn explored this style of modeling by showing the interiors of ships which adds a whole different dimension to a model.

 

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There are 189 pages to the catalog and each page has to be cropped, rotated and sized to fit the format of the forum so i will begin by posting a page or twoa day until the entire catalog is done.

I have noticed the focus on the forum is mostly period wooden sailing ships with guns.  This is the image of model ship building a wooden sailing ship with elaborate carvings and decks full of guns. This is all about steel ship building and machinery if this is outside you scope of model building at least it is an interesting subject to explore.

Building a wooden ship requires the skill of wood joinery and actually the structures are quite simple when compared to what you are about to see. This genre is far beyond the skills necessary to assemble a wooden hull.

 

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http://ech.case.edu/...icle.pl?id=ASBC


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 While maybe not everyone's cup of tea as far as building models..  what you've shown so far is "wow".   I've explored some of the old train stations, etc. and this fits right into the period of over the top design and decorating.  This is way travel (like the trains and stations of old) should be.  


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The Hudson River Dayliners were like that - very ornate and grand - one of them (forget the name at moment) held 5,000 passengers. Mary Powell was one of them.

 

Beautiful pictures Daves.


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This is wonderful stuff, thanks for posting!


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Over the top is right.  basically it is showing off a little.  Thanks for posting this catalog.  I am sure that it will give members ideas for future projects.

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a few photos to see what these ships looked like what is really sad is these ships were towed out in the lake and burned to get the scrap steel.

The color photos were taken by me at the Dossin great Lakes museum. The museum did infact salvage the gothic room when the ship was going to be scraped.  The other photos i can not say what the original source is, they appeared many times in many publications over the years. Perhaps there might be a copyright on them if so speak up or forever hold your peace. My guess they may be 100 years old.

 

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and now back to the catalog and we will take a look at the types of vessels built by the American Ship Building company

 

 

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not all the vesseles were pretty

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and that is all the vessel types built

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moving on to the next section of the catalog

 

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The images you are looking at is a catalog from the Americam Ship Building company long gone out of business and there is no known copyright on the catalog. This puts it in public domain so there is no copyright infringement.

 

before i post anymore images the owners of this forum may want to make a ruling and either allow the topic to contine or remove it.


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Thanks for sharing those pics Daves,

 

love those sailor figurines on Harold Hahn`s ship models, like the first pic in your post #1

Wish there would be more to see...

 

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Thanks for sharing those pics Daves,

 

love those sailor figurines on Harold Hahn`s ship models, like the first pic in your post #1

Wish there would be more to see...

 

Nils

 

tell you what Niles i will do a topic on the work of Harold Hahn there is a lot more to see. After i finish with this catalog


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tell you what Niles i will do a topic on the work of Harold Hahn there is a lot more to see. After i finish with this catalog

 

Wow ! 

that would be great Daves,   :)  :D

 

can hardly wait to see that information when it comes...., thanks in advance

 

Nils


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My build logs for scratch built ships

Current builds

"SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, 1:144 (scratchbuild)

http://modelshipworl...ne/#entry319621

Completed builds
"HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan  (scratchbuild)
http://modelshipworl...ge-1#entry79523

"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96

http://modelshipworl...ed/#entry159607

"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild)

http://modelshipworl...pleted-to-d/page-1#entry168883

"Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild)

http://modelshipworl...to-date/#entry16246

"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50

http://modelshipworl...er/#entry182678

"Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, (scratchbuild)

http://modelshipworl...ed/#entry280917

 


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the next 2 pages is ASB showing us their launch facilities and capabilities for launching just incase you needed to know before you order your 200' yatch or whatever you wanted them to build.

 

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on the first page at the bottom the photo on the left is a crowd of people watching the launch thats me and my uncle in the crowd. he use to take me down to watch the launches back when i was a little kid in the 1950s 

 

just kidding


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Hi Dave, As you know have been advocating the 3-D instructions for wood model sailing ships my intersts are in the smaller class of sailing ships, as you state this far beyond my capacity to accomplish, I hope you do not give up on the idea of the 3-D instructions and printing YOU ARE CORRECT THERE IS A NICHE FOR WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO ACOMPLISH, PLEASE DO NOT STOP, THE VAST MAJORITY OF MODEL BUILDERS I THINK WOULD GLADLY GO FOR THIS. Don


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greetings don

 

i do not intend on stopping with the 3D design for instructions and printing. If anything i would stop building ship models and devote all my time to building models in 3D as computer graphics and animation. imagine a set of modeling instructions that you can actually go aboard the ship, go below deck and look around to see how it is built. As Kurt said model ship building is not dying it is evolving. 


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Before moving on to the engines and boilers section of the catalog lets take a look at the work done on the interiors of these vessels.

 

 

These great steamers City of Detroit, Eastern States and the Greater Detroit were sold to the Steel Corporation of Canada in Hamilton, Ontario, and scrapped in 1957. The bill for stripping the ships were very expensive because of the extensive demolition of all the woodwork and plaster necessary to get at its steel frame. In 1956, tugs dragged the two ships out into Lake St. Clair, and they were set on fire. Burning away all the wood work made it cheaper and easier to get to the steel. The fate of the City of Detroit was not to set it on fire. In late 1956, parts of the ship City of Detroit were stripped by the Union Wrecking Company of Detroit, and its bits and pieces were sold to scrappers and souvenir collectors. The art treasures that made the ship a floating museum were sold. Oil paintings were snapped up by collectors, but others, such as those on the ceilings, could not be salvaged without being destroyed and were scrapped with the ship. A Cleveland house painter Frank Schmidt bought entire interiors of rooms and had them shipped to Cleveland by the truckload including the entire Gothic Room stained-glass window and all,  Frank Schmidt installed it in the loft of a barn in a Cleveland suburb. From the barn’s loft, one could look across and see the magnificent staircase wall from the Forward Salon. After Frank passed away his sister sold his entire collection and most of it was sold to a restaurant-decorating firm in Cleveland, which, in turn, sold pieces to restaurants around the Midwest. The classically styled pediment that once crowned a painting on the landing of the grand salon’s staircases is now the backdrop of a bar at Bistro Romano in Philadelphia. The Cleveland company sold parts of the collection to the Dossin Great Lakes Museum on Belle Isle. In 1966, a fundraising effort had raised $40,000 to buy the ornate Gothic Room, murals and more and bring them back to Detroit. The collection included more than seven tons of woodwork alone.

all following photos were taken in the Dossin museum by Dave Stevens

As you walk through the front doors of the Dossin museum the first thing you see is the gothic room.

 

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