tradewinds Posted March 25, 2016 Share #1 Posted March 25, 2016 I am new to ship modeling and would like, one day, to build a ship that appears to been through a battle or two; holes in the sails, hull damage, etc. I also envision creating a small diorama, incorporating a cut-a-way view of the deck, depicting a crew in the midst of a battle. I did a search looking for examples, but may not have used the correct keywords. Can anyone point me in the proper direction for inspiration? Quote Mike Current: Pirate Ship - Revell - 1:72The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted March 25, 2016 Share #2 Posted March 25, 2016 This is not a very popular technique in our mostly-wood-models community, although I have seen models done like that - mostly miniatures in diorama settings. A search on 'weathering' might yield some tips. Also, the more dedicated steel navy forums out there will have more info on weathering, albeit aimed at steel navy subjects obviously. Good luck with your search! mtaylor, Canute and tradewinds 3 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justsayrow Posted March 25, 2016 Share #3 Posted March 25, 2016 Shep Paine's "How to Build Dioramas", chapter 9 is a case study of his "Farewell to Bonhomme Richard". It's a great example of battle damage. Google Books previews most of it. tradewinds, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote ==================================== Currently building: Model Expo AMERICA, A/L KING OF THE MISSISSIPPI Completed: Mamoli Victory cross-section, Revell LSM (Plastic, in memory of Dad), A/L SANSON tug, MS Longboat (awesome model Chuck!), Dumas 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Racing runabout, A/L SWIFT, MS ELSIE, Constructo ELIDIR (now LOUISE), Midwest Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack, Amati 1:80 Yacht ENDEAVOUR, Mamoli CONSTITUTION cross section, Revell VIIc U-boat (1:72 plastic), lotsa other plastic ships Next up: who knows - there are too many to choose from! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tradewinds Posted March 26, 2016 Author Share #4 Posted March 26, 2016 It is not clear to me what pereoud you have in mind so this may not be apro,but if the age of sail you could do well to look at some marime painters work who skeetcht from life some things that they hopt woulb be usfull to there own work laiter. I am thinking of P J Loutherbourg 17440-1812 and ther are others who took perticulare note of such thing and theas are well worth studing rather than fantisity stufff robin I prefer early eighteenth-century merchant vessels, frigates, and warships. Thank you for mentioning P J Loutherbourg as a resource, I will try to find examples of his paintings, as I want the ships to look historically authentic rather than comical. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Mike Current: Pirate Ship - Revell - 1:72The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSteve Posted March 26, 2016 Share #5 Posted March 26, 2016 (edited) Try a search in the Build Logs for Ship Model Kits section ... Enter these two terms: 'Dafi' & 'Victory'. Now, stand back and be prepared to be amazed !! Edited March 26, 2016 by CaptainSteve mtaylor, tradewinds, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote CaptainSteve Current Build: HM Granado Bomb Vessel (Caldercraft) My BathTub: Queen Anne Barge (Syren Ship Models) Log: Queen Anne Barge (an build log) Bounty Launch (Model Shipways) Log: Bounty Launch by CaptainSteve Apostol Felipe (OcCre) HMS Victory (Constructo) Check It Out: The Kit-Basher's Guide to The Galaxy Website: The Life & Boats of CaptainSteve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tradewinds Posted March 26, 2016 Author Share #6 Posted March 26, 2016 Try a search in the Build Logs for Ship Model Kits section ... Enter these two terms: 'Dafi' & 'Victory'. Now, stand back and be prepared to be amazed !! CaptainSteve - Thank you a thousand times over for introducing me to Dafi's build log. One would be hard pressed to find greater inspiration. Canute, CaptainSteve and mtaylor 3 Quote Mike Current: Pirate Ship - Revell - 1:72The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tradewinds Posted March 26, 2016 Author Share #7 Posted March 26, 2016 Actully I was thinking more of the skeetch books rather than finisht paintings the skeetches done from life usually after a ship or shipa return to port be it an enamy or other these were often recorded and this is very valuabal often in apainting such close observaition gets lost. robin Is there an Internet resource available for his sketchbooks? My search resulted in just a few small images. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Mike Current: Pirate Ship - Revell - 1:72The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathead Posted March 26, 2016 Share #8 Posted March 26, 2016 If you're thinking of doing this in plastic, I recall someone writing an article in Model Railroader magazine an article about modelling damaged railroad cars. He had some fun techniques for bending and twisting plastic car bodies to simulate wrecked metal; for example I believe he used a hot flat-head screwdriver to gently warp the plastic inward, and so on. Certainly a number of model railroaders like to feature wrecks or other damage as part of their scenery. Perhaps a search of MR archives or other model railroad resources would help generate some techniques for modelling damage. I suspect you could use similar techniques for "damaging" plastic ship models, distressing them further with knife and rasp to make the final result more wood-like. If nothing else, buy a cheap kit or some scrap styrene, mock up a few test pieces, and experiment. tradewinds, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Eric Current builds: scratchbuilt Missouri River steamboat Peerless (1893); 1:1 scale timber-framed outdoor kitchen Nautical builds (kits): USS Cairo; NRG capstan project; NRG half-hull; Viking longship; US revenue cutter; 18th century longboat; Bounty launch Missouri River craft (scratchbuilt): 1853 Missouri River steamboat Arabia; 1865 steamboat Bertrand; Lewis & Clark barge; keelboat; 1876 steamboat Far West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tradewinds Posted March 26, 2016 Author Share #9 Posted March 26, 2016 If you're thinking of doing this in plastic, I recall someone writing an article in Model Railroader magazine an article about modelling damaged railroad cars. He had some fun techniques for bending and twisting plastic car bodies to simulate wrecked metal; for example I believe he used a hot flat-head screwdriver to gently warp the plastic inward, and so on. Certainly a number of model railroaders like to feature wrecks or other damage as part of their scenery. Perhaps a search of MR archives or other model railroad resources would help generate some techniques for modelling damage. I suspect you could use similar techniques for "damaging" plastic ship models, distressing them further with knife and rasp to make the final result more wood-like. If nothing else, buy a cheap kit or some scrap styrene, mock up a few test pieces, and experiment. That's a very resourceful suggestion, thank you. mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Mike Current: Pirate Ship - Revell - 1:72The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overdale Posted March 26, 2016 Share #10 Posted March 26, 2016 (edited) Perhaps I can offer my own two cents worth. Based on my experience, if you want to build an action diorama, stay away from cutaway features. It tends to confuse the viewer. Many think they are looking at battle damage and not an interior cut away. Some of the most effective dioramas like good oil paintings, concentrate on just suggesting what is there rather than struggling to pack everything in. Use the sea to set the scene, and the rest of the story will follow naturally. 'Less is more' in a diorama. Edited March 26, 2016 by overdale CaptainSteve, Ray1981, Cathead and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tradewinds Posted March 26, 2016 Author Share #11 Posted March 26, 2016 Perhaps I can offer my own two cents worth. Based on my experience, if you want to build an action diorama, stay away from cutaway features. It tends to confuse the viewer. Many think they are looking at battle damage and not an interior cut away. Some of the most effective dioramas like good oil paintings, concentrate on just suggesting what is there rather than struggling to pack everything in. Use the sea to set the scene, and the rest of the story will follow naturally. 'Less is more' in a diorama. _Y2F8080.jpg_Y2F8084.jpgAtocha1.jpgasset-1407641798085.pngSleighride.jpg Sound advice, I love the dioramas pictured. Who did them? mtaylor, robin b and Canute 3 Quote Mike Current: Pirate Ship - Revell - 1:72The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overdale Posted March 26, 2016 Share #12 Posted March 26, 2016 Sound advice, I love the dioramas pictured. Who did them? *cough* erm… that would be me. I thought you might get a few ideas from them.. There are a few more on my website, www.thehistoryman.com and if you have any questions, don't be afraid to ask, that's what this place is all about. Dan. CaptainSteve, Canute, tradewinds and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tradewinds Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share #13 Posted March 27, 2016 *cough* erm… that would be me. I thought you might get a few ideas from them.. There are a few more on my website, www.thehistoryman.com and if you have any questions, don't be afraid to ask, that's what this place is all about. Dan. Dan, your work is mesmerizing and each scene tells so many different stories if one takes the time to listen. I can only image the thoughts that go through your mind as you create these masterpieces. This forum has turned into quite the rabbit hole for me. robin b, Canute, CaptainSteve and 1 other 4 Quote Mike Current: Pirate Ship - Revell - 1:72The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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