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Hi!

 

Discovered this forum again (have been always registered here, but forgotten this) during my research to find out how to construct some details of the HMS Sophie. My problem is that there is just one commonly known existing plan of Jack Aubrey's HMS Sophie (former Spanish brig Vencejo) and the plan is not very good in every aspect.

 

At the moment I am having trouble with the Brodie Stove (found no possible information how it could look like and where it was installed on the HMS Sophie). I took the Brodie Stove from the Spanish Frigate Santa Leocadia

 

The second and more problematic issue is the question how could be the beams over the battery deck arranged? I found no similar ship to take a closer look on the construction.

 

The ship was built initially by me for a 3D-Animation, but now it serves as the main character for my web comic project. This is the reason why I need a highly detailed battery deck. For the 3D-Animation this deck should not been shown to closely.

 

Greetings

 

Ivi

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Welcome back...

 

For the stove.. have a look here:   http://modelshipworl...ck-fittings.php  On English ship's, the stove would have been just aft of the main bitts under the forecastle. 

 

I have no idea on the rest of your questions.


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The fictional sophie, of the Patrick O'Brien novels, was a fourteen gun brig and had a break in the deck aft, providing an "odd little poopdeck". Also the guns were on the uppermost deck, exposed to the elements.


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I am going to enjoy this build of Jack Aubrey's first command. Good luck. I am currently building HMS Surprise.


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Hi!

 

@ mtaylor

 

I have the problem with the Stove that the Vencejo has a hatch shown in the plan in front where the stove should be. You can see the hatch in my actual render...

 

@ JerseyCity Frankie

 

There is as I know only one existing plan showing the Vencejo. The Vencejo is the fictional HMS Sophie from Patrick O'Brians novels, although he also uses characteristics of the HMS Speedy...

 

@ Hipexec

 

The HMS Surprise is a wonderful ship. Maybe will build her someday...

 

I have added knees to the beams as you can see in this new rendered view. Would it be possible for the brig to have this beams and knees arranged like this?

 

Greetings

 

Ivi

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The configuration of the Sophie was more like that of the Fair American. The real-life inspiration for her was Lord Cochrane's HMS Speedy, whose plan survives. But Speedy had no poop deck. The cruises and battles of Aubrey's Sophie was a shot for shot retelling of the real career of Cochrane's  Speedy. HMS Speedy also took the 34-gun Spanish Xebec frigate Gamo, in the manner exactly described in the climax of the book Master and Commander.


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Is there a model of the HMS Speedy available? If not, with the popularity of the O"Brien novels, it would likely be a popular kit.

 

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Hi!

 

I know the story of taking the Gamo from Lord Cochrane. I tried to create the HMS Sophie as described by Patrick O'Brian and painted by Geoff Hunt. But the Speedy maybe the next project.... :10_1_10:

 

I have been told in an other forum about Napoleonic ships, that the knees I constructed within the beams over the main deck would not be very practicable on a ship of that small size. The most upper decks do not even have to carry guns here...

 

I rendered a test showing the gun deck as seen from the front looking to the stern...

 

Greetings

 

Ivi

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Hi!

 

Update. Now the gundeck with some sailors...  :)

 

Greetings

 

Ivi

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That might be called a frigate-built brig, or perhaps a brigate? :)


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Hi!

 

I don't know exactly, but the Spanish constructed it this way...

 

Greetings

 

Ivi

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Hi!

 

Little update. Working at the moment at the useful tools to operate such a gun... ;)

 

Greetings

 

Ivi

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Hi!

 

First rendering of the great cabin...

 

Greetings

 

Ivi

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Looks a bit large for a brig.


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Hi!

 

You mean the cabin?

 

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The whole gundeck area.


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Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
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18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
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Hi!

 

I had some problems while working with the blueprints of the Vencejo. If the measures are absolutely right, then it would be impossible to use some of the guns, because the height of the deck makes it impossible to stay, to work and even just to normally walk around. In the great cabin you could only sit with your head down. Entering the cabin and walking around in it would be very painful.... :huh:

 

Greetings

 

Ivi


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That's about right.  They were not all that roomy and the folks were smaller then.  Movie and TV depictions are bad examples because they often build the sets overly large to accommodate the film crews, cameras and comfort of the actors.  IIRC, the BOUNTY used for the 1960s movie was 1.5 times the size of the real BOUNTY.

 

That is also the reason why, unlike the army, the British navy never stands when they make a toast.  Tradition.  Back in the day, if you stood in the wardroom or great cabin, you may end up whackin' your head on some beam or overhead object.


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San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
Nautical Research Guild

 
Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
Colonial Pinnace VIRGINIA (1607)(scratch)
18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
Completed:
Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch
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Hi!

 

I am working currently on a webcomic based on fictial events taking place aboard this ship. Therefore, just like you mentioned the movie and TV crews, I had to "resize" the deck sizes, when they are shown. In the first post of me you can see the actual "real" size of the ship. But for the scenes below the upper decks I faked the size of the ship.

 

Also, initially I made the mistake to built to big seamen for this particular era. My Seamen are about 1,85m high - too high for the Napoleonic era. 1,60 would be more comfortable...

 

Greetings

 

Ivi


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Hi!

 

A little update on the great cabin.

 

Greetings

 

Ivi

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