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It's expensive and hard to find (I lucked out a few years back), but if you can find Boudriot's "The History of the French Frigate, 1650-1850", that should give you much of what you need for French frigates. Excellent, excellent book.

 

 

Best part....it's in English!


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Thanks Talos, I saw that at the Ancre site and I started drooling reflexively. I think you're right, I need that book two. Twist my arm  ;)


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Hi Jay,

 

ANCRE sells the monographs for those ships.  Boudriot did a lot of monographs and research other than the 74's.   Gerard Delacroix also has monographs which where the one for the 1st rate is listed.  

 

Websites:

http://ancre.fr/en/

http://gerard.delacr...fr/sommaire.htm

 

I contacted M. Delacroix and he was nice enough to send me a beautiful detailed deck plan of the Commerce de Marseilles at high res that is perfect for what I need to do. So this was another winner Mark, thanks.

 

I'd forgotten to ask him about the loadout, I will do so.


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Thanks Talos, I saw that at the Ancre site and I started drooling reflexively. I think you're right, I need that book two. Twist my arm  ;)

 

*twisttwist*

 

Though if there's anything specific you need looked up, I'd be happy to do that for you.


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I would suggest downloading John Muller's "Treatise of Artillery". There are a couple of chapters on velocities and range. It was published in 1768 which might be earlier than you are looking. 


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I would suggest downloading John Muller's "Treatise of Artillery". There are a couple of chapters on velocities and range. It was published in 1768 which might be earlier than you are looking. 

 

Thanks Don. I think I saw that at archive.org and bypassed it, I'll go back and look.


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*twisttwist*

 

Though if there's anything specific you need looked up, I'd be happy to do that for you.

 

I went to Abe Books and ended up with a leather-bound limited edition version, which was expensive of course but still cheaper than versions available through Amazon. And actually it was considerably less expensive than mint versions of the British version of the book.

 

I blame you for this.


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I went to Abe Books and ended up with a leather-bound limited edition version, which was expensive of course but still cheaper than versions available through Amazon. And actually it was considerably less expensive than mint versions of the British version of the book.

 

I blame you for this.

 

I'll fully take the blame, because I know you'll love the book. ;) It's a really fascinating read.

 

Congrats on the find!


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I'll fully take the blame, because I know you'll love the book. ;) It's a really fascinating read.

 

Congrats on the find!

 

Oh yeah, I know I will. I like permanent solutions to problems, and this should provide answers to every question I have on French frigates. I also assume both of M. Boudriot's works will maintain their value, so anyone else interested, you shouldn't hesitate too much - you could always get your money back out of them in a year or two with no problems.


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And I got the book, and yeah... well that's pretty much everything most anyone would need to know about French frigates. At least if you need to ask very many questions from here you're asking questions to which only a very small fraction of humanity knows the answer, and you're definitely pushing the edges of primary research.

 

I have no idea why some of the British versions were listed as more expensive than this copy, this one is fully leather bound with tooling etc,, gilt-edge pages and the paper quality and printing quality are really exceptional. If someone is going to go and spend the money for a copy of this book, I really recommend the limited edition leather version if you can find one.

 

Thanks Talos, this was a very good library addition.


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Some more screenshots, it's come quite a ways in the last few weeks. This is another call for anyone who wants to try playing it, I'm collecting a few people for a small mail list of testers that I'll keep updated and who will be able to access current versions on my FTP site.

 

(click for full-size versions)

 

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Things are looking pretty grim for the Spanish fleet, San Hermenegildo and Real Carlos have already struck. Also note it can handle most  resolutions, min would be 1280 and it should handle 4k fine. This is 2560 x 1440.

 

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First turn of the scenario you get "long version" turn step explanations with quick-start type help and a link to the help file. This will become an option players can disable.

 

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Also, I grabbed the high res version of this map from the Library of Congress, and did a (quick) cleanup job, removing the massive yellowing and removing a big fold down the middle and generally making it look more like it did when first drawn. I will probably loop back again at some point and do a better job but this is reasonable for now, putting here in case anyone wants a high res copy of this map.

 

Click for full size and download from there. Full size is ~ 2400 X 1900.

 

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Update, lots of progress, and getting close to game mechanics complete. Step after that will be AI and single player release, followed by lobby/matchmaking multiplayer.

 

New features you see here are a mini-map that's so full-featured that you can actually play the whole game just using the mini-map, and a fully dynamic shiplist showing current order status, fleet and divisional flagships, damage summary, fouled state, and full/battle sails. Both the mini-map and the ship list are navigational tools as well, clicking on a mini-ship in the mini-map will move the main map to that location and select the ship. Clicking on any point in the mini-map will also move the main map to that location. And clicking a ship name in the ship list will do the same, moves the main map to that location and selects the ship.

 

The divisional structure will allow co-op/PVP multiplayer games where each player controls a division, also makes the AI a somewhat more approachable problem.

 

Being implemented now is the logistics UI that will appear below the ship list on the correct turn step, were we reload broadsides and set sail states and raise/drop anchor and attempt unfoul/ungrapple and eventually a few other things like repair.

 

All ship data for simulating any engagement from the Austrian War of Succession to 1815 has been created, and spinning up fleet engagement takes an hour or so and smaller engagements much less, so the intent is to have quite a large array of ready scenarios.

 

Still looking for an extra playtester or two, if you're interested please PM me here.

 

Here we see the hover effect in the mini-map, you get a rollover highlight on the ship and a hover pop-up that provides basic information about that ship. Except during combat steps, this is the most accurate information you get on enemy ships.

 

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While a touch later than you are seeking, I came across some interesting details across all classes of British ships from 1842-44.

 

Here is the load out for a 120 gun ship:

 

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Attached are more details.

 

Attached File  Pages from 1847 Reports_on_Naval_Construction_1842_44.pdf   177.49KB   8 downloads

 

Source:  Read, Samuel, Henry Chatfield, and Augustin Francis Bullock Creuze. 1847. Reports on Naval Construction, 1842-44. W. Clowes.


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While a touch later than you are seeking, I came across some interesting details across all classes of British ships from 1842-44.

 

Here is the load out for a 120 gun ship:

 

attachicon.gif120 Gun 1844.jpg

 

Attached are more details.

 

attachicon.gifPages from 1847 Reports_on_Naval_Construction_1842_44.pdf

 

Source:  Read, Samuel, Henry Chatfield, and Augustin Francis Bullock Creuze. 1847. Reports on Naval Construction, 1842-44. W. Clowes.

 

Wayne, sorry I had missed this response.Thanks, every bit helps, and although first step will be releases with just metric farktons of scenarios covering the late 18th century and Napoleonic wars, and it's going to be hard to resist doing the Anglo-Dutch and other wars of the 17th century as doing so will require nothing but additional ship data, I would very much like to do something with the 1815 to 1860 period. As we know, there was this annoying thing called Pax Britannica floating about (literally) so to make it interesting we'd have to invent hypothetical wars, but I'd still like to see the last sailing ships have their day in the sun. In a nice simulation where no one really gets shot.

 

Below is screenshot of latest version with the logistics turn step implemented and showing how the minimap and shiplist info work. Again, this is actual gameplay not just demo artwork, click for full size.

 

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BTW, in terms of battle maps, this is another one I cleaned up and have added to the article on Camperdown on Wikipedia. I found it in the biography of Admiral Duncan written by his son... or grandson... and published in 1898 on archive.org. Since that seemed to be likely to be the most accurate map available, I spent the time to clean it up.

 

Same thing, click to get the full size that is around 3k x 2500. 

 

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And in case anyone wondered what it looked like to start with...

 

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