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2nd Planking With Veneer


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Julie Mo

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I'm not happy with the wood Amati supplied for the 2nd planking.  The grain, character and color just don't make my heart skip a beat.  I love pretty woods.  I need my heart to skip a beat.

 

I went looking for something that makes my heart skip a beat and maybe found it. It looks like they stock some very nice veneer woods.  The veneers are 1/42".  That works out to 0.024".  The wood Amati supplies is 0.019" so I get a whole 0.005" to play with.

 

They have some interesting quarter-sawn mahogany I was looking at using in place of what Amati supplied. 

 

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I'm pretty sure the ribbon is sapele.

 

I have never bought from them but they do take pictures of the actual veneer they have.  All the quality online hardwood stores do that, so that's a good sign.

 

Please comment on the ups, downs and any problems that could be encountered going this route.

 

Thanks,

Julie


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get yourself some Castello boxwood and you will never look back. 


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Thanks, Brian.

 

I did some looking around on Castello boxwood.  I saw some pieces with interesting tone and grain.  But I didn't find any that was mahogany-like in color with the thicknesses close to what I need for the 2nd planking.  All of my milling tools are for standard size lumber.  There's no way anything I have could mill to the thickness needed for planking.  But I will keep Castello boxwood in mind for future projects.

 

Thanks again.


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On a smaller scale model, the grain should be pretty much invisible to be in scale.  Maple or maybe one of the fruit woods.


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Julie,

 

When the time comes, look at a thickness sander.  It will take strips or narrow sheets down to any thickness would could possibly need and is accurate to a couple thousandths so repeatability is good.  I have a Byrnes and it has served me very well for quite a few years now.  

 

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Julie Mo

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On a smaller scale model, the grain should be pretty much invisible to be in scale.  Maple or maybe one of the fruit woods.

Good point.  I hadn't thought of the scale of the grain.

 

Julie,

 

When the time comes, look at a thickness sander.  It will take strips or narrow sheets down to any thickness would could possibly need and is accurate to a couple thousandths so repeatability is good.  I have a Byrnes and it has served me very well for quite a few years now.  

 

Allan

I have a thickness sander but it's for full sized lumber.  I've taken it to about 1/8" but that's about it.  All those Byrnes tools look really cool but I'd have to sell my "big version" tools to be able to afford them.  But it would be nice to say goodbye to lugging 4x8 sheets of 3/4" plywood around.

 

I ordered the veneer.  I have a few woodworking projects I plan to use them on.  Hardwood down here is so expensive it makes going into veneer more practical.  I'll see how the veneers scale. 

 

One type I bought was fumed etimoe.  It's almost black.  I was thinking I might be able to use that for the deck caulk.  It scales to about 3/4", which is a little wide but I don't know if that would be noticeable.

 

I've been looking into getting into veneers for years.  This could be my springboard to actually start doing something.


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If it is Mahogany as the shade you like, take a look at Black Cherry.  It is closed pore and the grain scales better than genuine Mahogany and much better than Lauan and other substitutes.  Woodcraft has a 3 sq ft pack for $10 - although they do not provide the thickness.  Since Black Cherry is not expensive in the States, it may be thicker than the exotic species.  Generally, the characteristic that makes exotic woods popular is contrary to what we want - the grain.

You could also consider Birch or Beech and use a aqueous analine dye to get your desired color.

As for caulking - with scale effect - less is better.  consider Walnut as a color rather than black  and for thickness  scale /2 .


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Julie Mo, you are electric-frying; full of energy and sparkling.

 

I also have used veneer a lot, but not too much for modeling. The thickness is intriguing but the grain patterns usually are no good. If you can find the wood you want, go for it. I am sure your search on the web should come up with something useful. 

 

PS I am working from my desk which  .. . . . mosaic  21.jpg


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Jay, beautiful work!  What substrate did you use to glue the veneer to on your desk?  I'm planning on building a stereo cabinet that can hold the weight of vinyl LPs.  I've been thinking of either sandwiching MDF to 3/4" plywood or making torsion boxes with 1/4" MDF on the top and bottom and hardwood on the sides.  This would be for the shelves.

 

As for the model, when the veneers arrive I'm going to see if any of it has the grain I need to match scale.  Obviously, when seen as a single sheet, the grain would never work, but when cut into 2mm strips, it just may.   


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Jay, beautiful work!  What substrate did you use to glue the veneer to on your desk?  I'm planning on building a stereo cabinet that can hold the weight of vinyl LPs.  I've been thinking of either sandwiching MDF to 3/4" plywood or making torsion boxes with 1/4" MDF on the top and bottom and hardwood on the sides.  This would be for the shelves.

 

Thanks Julie, the base is 3/4 inch plywood. I used carpenters glue for each piece and a section of pane glass and a lead weight to glue them down. Obviously this took a while.

The desk top sits right in front of me with my computer etc. on a sheet of 1/4 inch glass to protect the veneer.

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I've never done anything substantial with veneer.  All the articles I have seen use vacuum bags.  Another big expense. 

 

Thanks for showing me there is another way.  :10_1_10:


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If you have a full sized thickness sander you can adapt it to sanding very thin sections. Get a piece of MDF to use as a carrier. Affix the piece that you want to sand to it and run it through. I have a thickness sander that I built and I use this technique to sand small pieces. To attach the piece to the carrier I use several spots of glue at the leading edge of the piece to be sanded. You can debond after sanding with alcohol, or you can sacrifice this small area of the piece. Not elegant but it works.

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try looking at this post

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