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Jack12477's Carving Attempts - #11 blade, carving knife, micro chisels


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Received Chuck's carving sets on Wedesday - that's my thumb for size reference. Now to get out the knives, chisels, etc and start working. First I have to glue it down, going to use a scrap piece of maple which I have laying around.

 

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Will probably use the knives on the right and left in the picture below (3/4 inch and 1 inch blade respectively)  in addition to the #11 Xacto blade.

 

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Looking forward to seeing some progress.  Have fun with it.... :)


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Okay, I started last night by gluing the two crowns to a piece of maple and let it stand overnight.( Photo 1). I glued both crowns to the maple base. After removing the base from the press this morning. I started carving the crown on the left first using only a brand new #11 blade. Quickly found my aging eyesight is not working too well at this small scale. Technically, I am nearsighted and need glasses for distance. But with advancing age I'm finding it easier to just remove the glasses entirely when doing really close up work (I do have reading glasses and a couple of pairs of those drugstore cheaters but none work as well as the old eyeball). I did switch to my visor magnifier (Optivisor I think is the brand) without eyeglasses but even with the magnification it was difficult to see what the blade was cutting and how much. Did some experimenting and found that holding the maple base in my left hand while carving with my right hand worked better. It also allowed me to turn the carving as needed. Using my thumb and first two fingers to hold and guide the blade while using the thumb of my left hand to either push the blade thru the wood or oppose the pull pressure gave me the most control over the blade (Photo 6) I have found from other carving work I've done that sometimes two hands give a more steady and finer control over the blade than a single hand alone.

After carving for a while with the #11 blade, I switched to Dave Lyons detail carving knive which seemed to cut a little better. The challenge with both blades was getting the right cutting angle between the blade's cutting edge and the wood to allow the blade to remove any wood at all. And at such a small scale the wood shaving is very hard to see. Also determining how much wood is being removed is a bit of a challenge as well as you don't want to cut it too thin.

More experimenting and carving tomorrow. Some progress pictures follow:

 

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Using opposing thumb of left hand : (sorry for quality - difficult to shoot )

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Progress thus far:

 

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Gallery: AL Swift , AL Armed Virginia Sloop, AL Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , AL Marie Jeanne
In dry-dock: AL 1798 US Constellation,  MS Picket Boat,  Dumas Donzi Z65 Tournament Fisherman (R/C)

Other: 1912 Hudson River Ice Yacht Manhasset - RESTORATION - Scale = Full Size, Relief Carving for Model Ships


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Jack,

 

Looks good to these eyes.  I daresay that you should probably use the tools you're comfortable with.


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Very nice.  When I am carving I usually slice the char off first all the way down to the base and then round off the edges afterwards. 

 

Its very addicting isnt it?  Once you start its hard to stop.  You got through that design very quickly.


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Thanks Chuck and all who clicked the like button. I find any carving addicting - remember one I started after supper one night, wife came to cellar door to tell me she was going to bed, said I'd be up soon, and next thing I realized was that it was 3 o'clock in the morning and I was still in the basement carving away. Decided it was time to quit for the day.  Yea, you can easily forget time.

 

Thanks for the tip on char, I hadn't considered it when I started but in hindsight I think the residual char sets the piece off and gives it more definition against the background. I ordered two sets so I still have another for a do-over.


Edited by Jack12477, 29 October 2016 - 12:54 PM.

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Current build: MS Willie L Bennett
Completed build log(s): MS 18th Century Longboat , AL Marie Jeanne
Gallery: AL Swift , AL Armed Virginia Sloop, AL Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , AL Marie Jeanne
In dry-dock: AL 1798 US Constellation,  MS Picket Boat,  Dumas Donzi Z65 Tournament Fisherman (R/C)

Other: 1912 Hudson River Ice Yacht Manhasset - RESTORATION - Scale = Full Size, Relief Carving for Model Ships


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Well I should have re-read Chuck's instructions before I glued mine to the base. I used yellow PVA glue and thought I might be using the base as a wall decoration for a while.  After soaking in a bath of 91% isopropl alcohol for 24 hrs I was finally able to pry them loose but not without damaging one of them.  Oh well, as we used to say in programming, RTFM. They are now drying out.


Edited by Jack12477, 30 October 2016 - 07:26 PM.

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"No one is as smart as all of us"
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Current build: MS Willie L Bennett
Completed build log(s): MS 18th Century Longboat , AL Marie Jeanne
Gallery: AL Swift , AL Armed Virginia Sloop, AL Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , AL Marie Jeanne
In dry-dock: AL 1798 US Constellation,  MS Picket Boat,  Dumas Donzi Z65 Tournament Fisherman (R/C)

Other: 1912 Hudson River Ice Yacht Manhasset - RESTORATION - Scale = Full Size, Relief Carving for Model Ships


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Okay, now on to phase 2 of the carving experiment.  This time I used Chuck's recommended glue. ;)  I mounted all 4 to one base - easier to carve and keep track of.

 

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Jack
 
"No one is as smart as all of us"
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Current build: MS Willie L Bennett
Completed build log(s): MS 18th Century Longboat , AL Marie Jeanne
Gallery: AL Swift , AL Armed Virginia Sloop, AL Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , AL Marie Jeanne
In dry-dock: AL 1798 US Constellation,  MS Picket Boat,  Dumas Donzi Z65 Tournament Fisherman (R/C)

Other: 1912 Hudson River Ice Yacht Manhasset - RESTORATION - Scale = Full Size, Relief Carving for Model Ships


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Make sure you just give those vulnerable area a gently poke to make sure they are glued down good.

 

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Some progress: Started carving the uppermost piece shown on the block, then moved to the small piece to the right of the block.  Using mostly the #11 blade at this point but spent some time honing it on a ceramic stone (about 1200-1550 grit) then stropping it in a leather strop before I started carving.

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I'm finding that I cannot work on these for more than 1/2 hour at a time without getting a headache from eye strain.

 

Hey, guys and gals, is anyone else going to join this fun group ? Or is it just Chuck and me ?  :) :)


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Current build: MS Willie L Bennett
Completed build log(s): MS 18th Century Longboat , AL Marie Jeanne
Gallery: AL Swift , AL Armed Virginia Sloop, AL Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , AL Marie Jeanne
In dry-dock: AL 1798 US Constellation,  MS Picket Boat,  Dumas Donzi Z65 Tournament Fisherman (R/C)

Other: 1912 Hudson River Ice Yacht Manhasset - RESTORATION - Scale = Full Size, Relief Carving for Model Ships


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That looks very good.....lovely work.   I was indeed hoping more would join in.  Many carving blanks were sold yet nobody is joining in on the fun.... :)   Hope to see more folks starting up soon.


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Jack, the carving looks great.

 

I just added my cipher, so you guys no longer have to feel alone. ^_^


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Not sure if I want to take any more off of these without damaging them. Altho under macro photography they do seem to show knife marks still.  Used sanding sticks and my 400 grit sanding "cloth" .  Seems my camera is better at magnification than my headpiece.

 

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400 grit sanding cloth - made by Mirka called Abranet. comes in grits from 80-600. Mesh material, never clogs, just tap on hard surface to clear sawdust (or use a toothbrush). - last almost forever. I have pieces I've used for almost a year without wearing it out. Has Velcro like "fuzzy" on backside so it attaches to Velcro sanders. Comes in 4 1/2 inch wide rolls, but I just buy a linear foot at a time for my uses.

 

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Current build: MS Willie L Bennett
Completed build log(s): MS 18th Century Longboat , AL Marie Jeanne
Gallery: AL Swift , AL Armed Virginia Sloop, AL Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , AL Marie Jeanne
In dry-dock: AL 1798 US Constellation,  MS Picket Boat,  Dumas Donzi Z65 Tournament Fisherman (R/C)

Other: 1912 Hudson River Ice Yacht Manhasset - RESTORATION - Scale = Full Size, Relief Carving for Model Ships


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I finished sanding mine off with 400 grit dry paper. Then soaked them in isopropyl for a couple of hours, and like Chuck said, they just floated free from the base. The smallest one suffered some damage but the piece can be glued back when needed. Likewise one of the crown's suffered a small break and curled on one leg of the "R".  After photographing them I put them in a safe container for later. I still have a 2nd set which I will save for a later time.

 

Here's my results:

 

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Jack
 
"No one is as smart as all of us"
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Current build: MS Willie L Bennett
Completed build log(s): MS 18th Century Longboat , AL Marie Jeanne
Gallery: AL Swift , AL Armed Virginia Sloop, AL Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , AL Marie Jeanne
In dry-dock: AL 1798 US Constellation,  MS Picket Boat,  Dumas Donzi Z65 Tournament Fisherman (R/C)

Other: 1912 Hudson River Ice Yacht Manhasset - RESTORATION - Scale = Full Size, Relief Carving for Model Ships


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Where do you find the Abranet, Jack?  I can find it on the 'Net but do local stores like Lowes, carry it?


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No, never seen it in Lowes or Home Depot. I get it from my local woodworking shop, Warren Cutlery, in Red Hook.  A full roll is about $60 but he sells it by the foot also, ($2.50/ft) so I get a linear foot at a time of each grit (120, 240, 320, 400). A foot section lasts me over a year, sometimes 2 years, before I need to resupply. Try a local woodworking shop near you, Mark.


Edited by Jack12477, 03 November 2016 - 09:42 PM.

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"No one is as smart as all of us"
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Current build: MS Willie L Bennett
Completed build log(s): MS 18th Century Longboat , AL Marie Jeanne
Gallery: AL Swift , AL Armed Virginia Sloop, AL Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , AL Marie Jeanne
In dry-dock: AL 1798 US Constellation,  MS Picket Boat,  Dumas Donzi Z65 Tournament Fisherman (R/C)

Other: 1912 Hudson River Ice Yacht Manhasset - RESTORATION - Scale = Full Size, Relief Carving for Model Ships





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