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Triton 1/48 by The Learner


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#41
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You will need to go through the Triton build logs to find photograph os what others have done in that area.

 

The taper should not be a big problem though. You will begin at the full thickness at the steps of the deadwood and the gradually taper down to the bottom of the deadwood and the aft end of the deadwood. So long as there is a gradual taper with no big humps or bumps, you should be okay. Let your eyes and your fingers tell you when it is right. Always take off less than you think you should. You can always sand a bit more off.

 

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Are you looking for the ultimate depth of the taper at the deadwood? That will be equal to the thickness of the outer planking. That should be 3 inches. We used 3 inch plank on the cross section. You will need to gradually taper the deadwood down to where there is a 3 inch depth at the keel and the stern post.

 

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Thanks Russ, I will add your listed measurement specifications to the notes in my build! I also found this to help http://modelshipworl...rs/?hl=deadwood Posted by AnobiumPunctatum as a separate item and good pictures. I think I can safely use the deadwood I cut however I used only one piece of wood, sorry guys.

 

I have also posted this in  PDF of AnobiumPunctatum's post above for any one who wants to put in their files for future refrence 

 

also this posted in the builders log of the HMS Fly by AnobiumPunctatum  http://modelshipworl...e-3?hl=deadwood

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Edited by the learner, 12 May 2013 - 09:20 PM.

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Guy,

 

be aware, that the examples are from a Swan Class Sloop. The deadwood for your HMS Triton looks different and has different sizes. If you need help, don't hesitate to ask.

I post some info in Larry's build log. He uses the three layer method.


Edited by AnobiumPunctatum, 13 May 2013 - 09:51 AM.

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Hello Guy,I did the aft dead wood 3 times.I have it ok but not the best.The mohogany is to soft to get a really good edge.I hope you do a better job than I did.

    

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Thanks guy's I will be posting some pictures tomorrow...not perfect but I think it will work for 3" thick planking. This will be a good study on the shape of the deadwood area in diffrent eras and on diffrent types of vessels but later.


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Guy I am a novice and I do not know what you mean by 3 inch planking also how does the planking relate to the dead wood?

 Thank You for any help.  Larry


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Rummy, see Russ's post #42 above, the 3" measurement is the thickness of the plank and the taper of the deadwood that would allow for this thickness at the keel and stearnpost. I think my taper is a little off but I do not think that I will do any planking in this area.

 

Where is Roberts WI at? I use to live in northern IL

 

 

Can any one tell me if I attach the stern knee to the deadwood/inner stearnpost at this time or after the frames have been attached?


Edited by the learner, 14 May 2013 - 04:03 PM.

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You have to attach the deadwood and stern before you start with the frameing. The transoms were positioned at the inner post.


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The stern knee would most likely go in after the cant frames are in, but it is up to you.

 

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Hello Guy,Roberts, Wi is a very small town about 10 miles from the Minnesota border and about 30 miles from the Twin Cities.

 I decided to remake the deadwood again.It did come out better.This time I used maple and the finish is much nicer.I will post some pictures to night or tomorrow.    Larry


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Ok time to start posting some pictures!

 

I have started using the mill but after the fiist several attempts I had  to stop and mill some wood as I had used all I had cut for the keel.

 

My Process using the Ryobi saw does limit me to the height but the right blade makes cutting quite easy

 

 

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I then run them through my thickness sander to bring it to the nominal size.

 

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Looks familiar? it works fantastic and I can really push the stock through at a much greater clip than my comerical hobby thickness sander and it required minimal modification to construct as you can see by the pictures. I do need to add a finer adjustment method and it will be almost perfect. Changing belts is also a dream as you do not have to tear your sander half apart to change the drum paper!

 

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My Commercial Hobby sander, I am sure all of you who mill your own wood have one!

 

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Enough for now off to work I must go!

 

Guy


Edited by the learner, 16 May 2013 - 03:25 PM.

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Hello Guy,Roberts, Wi is a very small town about 10 miles from the Minnesota border and about 30 miles from the Twin Cities.

 I decided to remake the deadwood again.It did come out better.This time I used maple and the finish is much nicer.I will post some pictures to night or tomorrow.    Larry

 

The reason I asked I grew up in Northern IL in my later childhood years and was close to the WI border, made many trips up!  good luck on the deadwood! I know mine is not perfect but will get in to it on anouther build! the importance it is the method of the build!

 

 

I will post pictures of it tonight or tomorrow morning

 

Guy


Edited by the learner, 16 May 2013 - 03:22 PM.

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Guy....nice to see you making some progress.....

 

Really like the way you converted your Delta sander over to a thickness planer...looks to work well.

 

Looking forward to more.


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 Guy,I am going to try that thickness sander.Nice job. I have a drill press sander but I'm allways looking for something new.

 I just aquired a disk and long board sander.I'm looking for some way to control the sawdust. It makes a lot and makes it fast.

 Yes I am on the western side of Wi.Been here about 25 years.When it snows in May it is time to leave.      Larry


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Ok here goes this is my second attempt at milling the deadwood and as I said it is in one piece only but will definitely try to put all the pieces in the next time!

 

 

Here the first side has the first  cut made

 

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The final depth has been achieved, now I will turn over and apply the second pattern that I have electronically inverted and using register marks from the first side will glue the new pattern on

 

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My depth guage ...Yes I have better depth guages but this works! once I learn to use the mill it will provide all that for me.

 

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Attached to the keel piece and the stearn post added along with the first section of inner keel added

 

Photo removed because it shows section of copyright plan in the background

 

I actually enjoyed using the mill.........More to come


Edited by the learner, 06 June 2013 - 02:58 PM.

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 Guy,I am going to try that thickness sander.Nice job. I have a drill press sander but I'm allways looking for something new.

 I just aquired a disk and long board sander.I'm looking for some way to control the sawdust. It makes a lot and makes it fast.

 Yes I am on the western side of Wi.Been here about 25 years.When it snows in May it is time to leave.      Larry

 

Rummy, if you want I can send you additional pictures on the sander if you are going to convert it

 

Guy


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You have to attach the deadwood and stern before you start with the frameing. The transoms were positioned at the inner post.

 

Yes once I have finished the keel (head and stem) I will start on the framing from the first dead flat frame back...I think I said that right!


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Hello Guy,

 

Wow! splendid work on the keel, Sir, very nice and clean. That's a neat set of tools you have there too, looking forward to more of your beautiful work  B)


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Thanks Rdsaplala!

 

 

The next addition

 

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I used the mill to shape all the flat sections not perfect but makes for tight joints. I do enjoy using it and should be fairly good at it by the time I start putting in the three piece beams.

 

as this is my frist build of this type I am not going to spend a lot of time doing re-work unless I can not make it look decent...a little wood putty here and there should cover up those mistakes if done right! 


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