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Modeler12 carving attempt - Me too; I am willing to try almost anything.


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I've ordered Chuck's pieces but while I am waiting for them, I decided to experiment with a scrap piece of Swiss pear, 1/8 inch thick. 

I have a few chisels and a chip knife, but the following was done with a 11 blade. This is my first real try at 'carving' and it is fun. As was said before, the close-up pictures show a lot more 'flaws' than I could see. 

In the real world, a touch up with sandpaper would be fine I think.

At first I rounded off the corners of the round hole.

carve 2.jpg

Then I decided to try to cross two ropes. Here is my first try.

carve 5.jpg

 

 


Edited by Modeler12, 17 November 2016 - 03:32 AM.

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Somewhere I read that the light you use during carving helps to show the shadows. Fluorescent lights tend to equalize or diffuse the carving whereas a direct spot light enhances the shadows. Of course, the latter also shows the defects more.

The first picture was taken under my shop lights; the second with incandescent light from above.

carve 8.jpg    carve 7.jpg

 

Under cutting the 'ropes' also helps to create more of a 3D effect.


Edited by Modeler12, 17 November 2016 - 10:52 PM.

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I finally received the laser cut pieces and started with the small flower design. Again I used a number 11 Exacto knife with some background lighting to help with the detailing.

Being new to this, it was slow going but I learned a bit about what to do with the larger pieces. Ignore the background scratches because the next step is to dissolve the glue and touch up the final piece.

Carve 10.jpg

Of course, the laser cut perimeter on these pieces makes life a lot easier, but that may not be the case in the future. So, I tried to do this from scratch. I took a piece of .020 inch thick Swiss pear copied the design and gave it a try with the #11.

This is just a start and not very impressive. The #11 blade just does not handle cutting the perimeter of this thicker piece. Meanwhile I ordered some carving knives and will use those when they arrive.

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I have to be careful how I orient this design, because now it looks like a horny lizard taking a flower to his beloved.

carve 12.jpg

 

 

 


Edited by Modeler12, 23 November 2016 - 12:43 AM.

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Next comes a couple of those long branches. I am glad I 'practiced' on the smaller one because that is helping me now. I have to be careful and not cut off those thorns :rolleyes:

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More to come. 

Where are those carving knives I ordered?


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Nice work, Jay. It seems you have a knack with the knife. Especially liked the first two posts!


Edited by cog, 23 November 2016 - 08:41 AM.

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Nice work, Jay. It seems you have a knack with the knife. Especially liked the first two posts!

Thanks Carl. Just don't call me 'Knack the Knife'.


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No way, Jay, would make it something with Rotterdam tied to it  ... something like: De Kralingse Snijder (Cutter from Kralingen) ;)


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Just in case some of you were wondering; Kralingen, my birthplace, is a district in Rotterdam. Carl also came from Rotterdam, but not as nice a district :rolleyes:

 

Most of the time I was carving these designs with the tip of the #11 blade. I learned very quickly that you don't prey the wood loose, you have to cut and slice or break the tip. 

I also strop the blade frequently to keep the tip very sharp. I took an old leather belt and glued it to a piece of scrap wood. Some white chalk and a few strokes back and forth is all it takes.

knife 1.jpg   knife 2.jpg


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OK, here is the result of a couple hours (on and off between turkey and desert) of 'carving'. 

At least for the turkey I did not have to use a #11 blade.

carv 22.jpg

Now that I look at this picture, I see a few spots that need some touching up.
Then I am going to try to remove this piece by soaking in alcohol, like Chuck suggested.
The hardest part was to be careful with the thorns (or side brackets). They are easy to break off.


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Looking good.  Well done.  


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Thank you, Chuck.

Your idea of using alcohol to loosen the pieces worked very well. I dabbed the two pieces a few times and after about two hours they came sliding off just fine.
I wonder if bourbon would also work. :huh:

I think the solution to the problem Joost had is to use the white Elmer's glue, the kind kids use. 'Carpenter's glue' could be harder to get rid off.

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It turns out that the small piece lost its flower. I must have cut too deep at the intersection.
But if I were to use these pieces, it would be a simple matter to glue it in place.

 

I think this concludes my first 'carving' experiment. Thank you all for your interest and comments.


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Jay, nice carving of the ornamentation.  :cheers:

 

The bourbon probably would work, but what a waste of good bourbon. ;) :D   90% IPA works and it's cheaper than the bourbon.


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Ken, you are right, but than again there is good bourbon and the stuff I drink (sometimes).

With all due respect to Chuck, I think that making this kind of ornamentation from scratch (no laser cutting) would be my next endeavor. I started to do this with a piece that was a bit thick and found that the #11 blade was not able to cut uniformly to the outline. Now that I have some small chisels (bought and made from small files) I might try this again.

My ultimate goal would be to do some 3-D carving like we all admire and have seen done by some great artists here.

All it takes is practice, practice and more of the same.


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Back to books.
I came across a very useful book by Lora Irish. It is 'Relief Carving Workshop' and provides lots of good information about tools and how to use them for beginners. She explains how to use chisels, knives, gouges, etc. The book has a practice board with several square sections that allows you to practice the various techniques. Although it is intended for larger pieces, I find learning about the tools and how to use them interesting and helpful.

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Each of the 25 examples are explained with more pictures of how and what.

Irish 1.jpg

PS The author allows you to copy this for personal use.


Edited by Modeler12, 01 December 2016 - 03:54 AM.

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So, I started to do the beginner's carving exercise.

I happen to have a piece of basswood that was close to what was called for.

It had a few squares missing but, in general, the ideas I had in mind were ok,
I started with a set of tools from Flexcut that include a couple of knives and some carving tools.

Here is my first attempt of carving some squares per the 'book'. I will eliminate a couple squares because of the duplication.
trial carving 2.jpg   trial carving 3.jpg

The first was taken with fluorescent light above and the second with an incandescent light from the left side.

Whow. What a difference :angry:  :angry:

 

 
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Ms. Irish has a similar book about wood burning that haas a similar practice board for burning.  She is a very good instructor, somewhat like our own Chuck.  It's nice to have people with that kind of talent to steer us on the right path.

 

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Tools:

Perhaps I am going too deep into this discussion with the trial cutting.

But let me explain my situation about 'wood working' tools for carving>

I have collected a few chisels, bought some 'dogs', but settled on a few that I have used over the years.

Now comes Chuck and his promise to make us all into expert carvers of micro sculptures:
and what do I have to work with?

trial carving 5.jpg

The two to the left are part of a series of wood-working chisels, not carving chisels (and there is a difference).

But I have used them for my carving attempts. 

Then I decided to buy some 'micro carving tools'.
I know a better way is to buy individual tools as-needed, but for a novice I took the plunge.

trial carving 6.jpg

Those are the ones I am now using for the 'practice board' mentioned above. I am slow, so bear with me.
The 1.5 inch squares in a piece of basswood could not be easier to cut you think.
Hold on. I stripped a couple of those borders very nicely and will ignore borders for now. There is also the issue of grain direction!!

The idea with part of the board is to carve concave and convex surfaces. The more I did this, the braver I got and went deeper. I am getting the hang of those gouges, not pretty but satisfying.

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Edited by Modeler12, 04 December 2016 - 02:55 AM.

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Here are a couple more of my trial board carving.

I am a bit shaky and that does not help. It takes a steady, continues cutting action when using the chip knife. 

The cross grain try to the far left was done with a V-gouge and the results also leaves a lot to be desired.

But a little more practice should be in order.

trial carving 8.jpg   trial carving 7.jpg

I think I will leave the rest for later. This is not the right place for this discussion.


Edited by Modeler12, 04 December 2016 - 10:07 PM.

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In just a week or two I have learned a lot about carving, including how to hold my work piece to the table.

At first I used a piece of plywood with two 'fences'. That was awkward and it kept on slipping on the table, while clamps were in the way.

A search through our linen closet yielded a rubber mat, the kind used in showers or bathtubs to prevent you from slipping. It has suction cups on the back side and the front is non-slip -- ideal for the glass top of my desk. The slight pressure from carving is enough to prevent the work piece from sliding. But yet, it allows me to rotate the work with no effort.

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The piece you see is basswood but because it is a section of a branch, the grain runs all over the place making this a bit more of a challenge. The design is a tulip (in honor of Carl, of course).
Here is the practice board I showed earlier. That was a good lesson.

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Looking good Jay.  Two things you might consider to hold your work, first is the rubber honeycomb shelf liners, they're easy to cut, about 1/8 inch thick available in most  kitchen gadget stores and some grocery stores (at least here in the states) and the second (which I prefer) is a bench hook like the one in my post # 12 above - last 3 photos. It's a piece of 1/2 inch cabinet grade birch plywood about 12 inches square. Not the notch cut in the back piece and the short block on the left, these allow you to angle the piece and the opening between the block on left and back panel allows the shavings to be cleared out easily.  You can make the bench hook any size you want - I have several in various sizes for woodcarving, general woodworking and model ship building.

 

I use both; I put the shelving liner under the bench hook - protects the "furniture" and keeps the hook from moving around.  No clamps needed. Of course the bath mat works also.


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