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Modeler12 carving attempt - Me too; I am willing to try almost anything.


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Thank you Jack.
For the flat pieces of wood I am working with right now the bath mat works fine for me. 

When (and if) I get into shapes that do not lend them to 'flat' carving, I will definitely consider other ways to hold the work piece.

Your 'bench hooks' are what I was referring to when I talked about a piece of plywood with fences. As you noted, the problem with that is still one of having this platform slide around. When the part involves 3D shapes the bench hook, or slanted tray, sitting on the bath mat should work fine.

I might also mention that the bath mat is large enough so the carving tools are not lying on the glass desk top. The two strops in the upper left corner were made from an old leather belt. One piece was wrapped and glued around a piece of 1/8 inch plywood and is used for the small gouges.


Edited by Modeler12, 09 December 2016 - 01:09 AM.

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Hi, Jay.......

 

Good looking work on the practice board.  Go back and look at some of your early photos of your carvings, and I think you will see the result of your practice.

 

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One more thing about carving tools. Earlier I showed the set of knives and gouges that I bought from Flexcut. They work extremely well, hold an edge quite long and only need an occasional stropping. The only one I seldom use in the set is the curved knife.

However, for detailed work I needed some small chisels. I ordered a set of four Flexcuts ranging from 1/16 to 1/4 inch wide. Again they did a nice job of cutting away the background material for the tulip that I am playing around with. I am referring to the narrow channels between the leaves and flower. They still need some 'cleanup work'.

tuliip 7.jpg    tulip 8.jpg
I am not trying to sell the brand, I know Flexcut tools are expensive. But now I have what I need when it comes to relief carving. 

The 'practice board' has moved to a larger design as you can see. The actual tulip will be fun to bring out next.

btw. The grain direction has given me some hick-ups.
But after a while I got used to the idea of grain in this piece.
Notice that the center of the branch is in the bottom left corner of the tulip. It is a dark patch. 


Edited by Modeler12, 11 December 2016 - 02:31 AM.

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Ok, final picture and some comments about grain direction.

 

I thought it would be 'cute' to carve this using a slice of a basswood branch.
Never again!!!  (well not in the near future if I can help it).

Although my knives and gouges were very sharp and cut through wood like butter when the grain was 'right',
in this case the oval shape of the growth rings made it very difficult to go 'with the grain'.

For relief carving of ship decorations I will keep this in mind.

For carving solid figures, if I ever graduate there, it was a lesson learned.

BTW I will do a bit of sanding around the perimeter, give it a coat of sealer and call it 'Tulip #1'.

It's yours Carl.


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Very nicely done Jay.  Came out really well.

 

Regarding grain - it's not just the circular grain you encountered in that branch piece. It can also occur in straight grained blocks. I've seen the grain change just as I carve deeper into a block when I am carving figures.  I have to be constantly aware of which way it is going and adjust my carving accordingly.  Also there is a big difference between air dried wood and kiln dried wood. Kiln dried tends to be harder to carver in my experience than air dried.


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Well Modeler12, that's a very creditable early piece and I'm sure you gained a lot of experience doing it. Well done!


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Sorry, I need to explain one more thing about grain direction

 

After I applied a coat of Tung oil to the tulip it really showed the problem I have had with this thing. 

The center of the 'trunk' is clearly shown on the back of this piece,

and it translates to the front. Carving was difficult......and I simply could not get rid of the pimple.
That reminds me of my younger days :rolleyes:

wood 1.jpg   wood 2.jpg   wood 3.jpg

 

So, for relief carving stay away from this kind of wood.


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It actually looks very nice with that grain! Feels like that "flower growing through asphalt" pictures. Rough wood - and a gentle flower emerging through it :)

With a proper backstory, this piece could be more interesting than something carved on a "proper" wood where grain is barely visible. 

And the pimple is a nice touch, not a thing to get rid of!


Edited by Mike Y, 15 December 2016 - 08:43 AM.

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I bought the same book (Complete Guide to WoodCarving) Jack12477 mentioned in one of his posts.
Learned a lot from that one. Also have Bill Shorts book.
Knives? Use a variety of tools for different projects. Blade #11 for tiny items and also surgical knives I have left over from grad school.
Chisels for larger items.
Bench hook is an important tool and very handy. Kevlar tape around my fingers.
I will show my project in the next few days. I am carving the VOC emblem from the Dutch East Indies.
Also practicing figures for the Staten Jacht - Utrecht.

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Also check Youtube for Sharpening blades, lots of info
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The tulip doesn't necessarily have to be center you could arrange the pattern to fit the grain a little better maybe.  Also do not do any sanding til you are completely finished carving as any grit left on you work piece will take the edge off your nice carving tools.


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The tulip is done as far as carving is concerned. It was my first attempt other than the scroll that was done with an Exacto blade (#11).

I learned a lot about how to use carving tools, things I had taken for granted in the past.

Keeping the edge sharp is obvious, but it did not take me long to learn that 'slicing' the wood is so much better than forcing the gouge or knife straight into the wood. I try to show that in my next project.

 

The small gouge was used to remove some of the background material. I guided the blade with my right hand and pushed the gouge to the right with my left hand. This produced a 'slice' rather than a 'chip'.

rose 1.jpg   rose 2.jpg

After the slice was removed, I used a knife to trim up the edges.

rose 4.jpg

At this point I will repeat the steps to cut the background deeper.
 

Slicing versus dicing is something I know about in the kitchen. I now have a tendency to move the knife back and forth as I 'slice' green onions or anything else.

I am curious if that could be applied to razor blades.

How about slanting the cartridge at a small angle Mr. Gillett? B)  B)


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Looking forward to the continuation!


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Thank you Aviaamator, and since you asked, let me show the last part of this experiment. Carving letters.

 

This basswood plague will be a Christmas present for my wife. Hopefully I can complete it in the next week or so.

Her picture will be inside the recessed opening.

Carving letters was a whole new experience for me. I selected an engravers font, printed it and transferred it to the wood. Then I used a V-gouge and knife to cut out the letters. They don't show too clearly, but on another piece I did the same thing and stained it quickly. That brought out the letters much clearer.

rose 10.jpg   rose 11.jpg

I have a long way to go with the carving, but this probably will be the last post of this series.
After all, this is a model ship forum.

PS Aviaamator, being northeast of St. Petersburg you must have some cold weather and lots of snow. Nice for Christmas :)


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Jay,

 

At least show the finished work.. if not here then in Shore Leave.  Please?   ;)


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Ok Mark, if you don't mind let me add a few more comments along the way.

 

The outline of the design has been an issue here with Chuck providing the laser cut parts while I had been wondering how to cut the perimeter otherwise. I am still curious how others have approach this other than 'brute-force'. For large parts it is a bit easier but just as important.

I am not trying to give instructions here (after all I am very clumsy and new to the game), but let me continue to show how I am going about relief carving the roses. 

 

Carving the background comes first. In this case I wanted a simple depth cut. Because the design is rather busy I did not want to go any more than about 1/8 inch deep. The tricky part was the inside cuts, the open areas between the stem and leaves.

All of this was time consuming but involved several tools. I used the gouges and chisels for most but I did end up using a couple curved files to get underneath the edges. No sandpaper at this point.

rose 15.jpg

The fun part starts with the leaves, stem and flower. Depth perception come into play.

For example, the leaf closest to the flower goes underneath. Hence it is cut deep at the tip. 

I might also mention that the design has a lot of notches on the leaves.
The leaves of roses don't have that (see earlier picture), so I will 'smooth' them a bit and make them a bit larger.

I'll show a few more steps later.


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Ok Mark, if you don't mind let me add a few more comments along the way.

 

The outline of a small design and how to cut it has been an issue here. Chuck provided the laser cut parts which was great to start with. But I had been wondering how to cut the perimeter otherwise. I am still curious how others have approach this other than 'brute-force'. For large parts it is a bit easier but just as important.

I am not trying to give instructions here (after all I am very clumsy and new to the game), but let me continue to show how I am going about relief carving the roses. 

 

Carving the background comes first. In this case I wanted a simple depth cut. Because the design is rather busy I did not want to go any more than about 1/8 inch deep. The tricky part was the inside cuts, the open areas between the stem and leaves.

All of this was time consuming but involved several tools. I used the gouges and chisels for most but I did end up using a couple curved files to get underneath the edges. No sandpaper at this point. It is amazing what can be done with sharp gouges alone.

rose 15.jpg

The fun part starts with the leaves, stem and flower. Depth perception come into play.

For example, the leaf closest to the flower goes underneath. Hence it is cut deep at the tip. 
I might also mention that the design has a lot of notches on the leaves. 

The leaves of roses don't have that (see earlier picture), so I will 'smooth' them a bit and make them a bit larger.

I'll show a few more steps later.


Edited by Modeler12, 19 December 2016 - 03:12 AM.

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Ok Mark, if you don't mind let me add a few more comments along the way.

 

 

 

I don't mind, but it's Chuck's call.  That's why I mentioned Shore Leave as an alternative.  I'm just sucking up all the info I can. :)


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Leaves are done, next is the flower.

rose 16.jpg


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Just in time for Christmas.

rose 26.jpg

 

And a Merry Christmas to all of you.

May the new year bring you good health and happiness with peace on earth.


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