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#1
Johnnymike

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First of all, I hope the pictures are attached to this post. It is my first try at it.

 

I have seen the experts tie rat lines and I am envious of their skill.

 

I have some experience but not much and became frustrated with the poor quality

I could achieve. I dreaded tying ratlines and almost gave up.

 

This might not be new but I finally stumbled on a simple idea and I am now happy with my work

[although my speed remains poor].

 

It is simply two pieces of square stock the size of the ratline spacing clamped in place

to use as a guide. I cemented a strip of fine grit sandpaper to one side of each square.

In clamping the squares together with the sand paper on the inside the lines are held

firm and I did not have to worry about the "hour glass effect" to the main lines. I also found

I could easily tighten the knots to secure them in place.

 

If you are a novice like me and have issues with your rat lines this may work for you like it did for me. 

 

JMS

 

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toms10

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Seems simple enough to try.  Anything that makes tying ratlines easier is worth a try. Thanks for posting.

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Ulises Victoria

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Hello Johnny

I have tied many many thousands of clove hitches to make ratlines and this "new" idea is going to be used when I reach that stage in my present build. Thank you!!!


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markjay

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Such a simple solution, will be giving it a try.


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HSM

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Brilliant idea! Anything that makes tying ratlines easier or more accurate is always welcome!


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From about as far from the ocean as you can get in North America!


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John Allen

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Johnnymike,

 

So simplistic it hurts, I had to tie the ratlines on my HMS Vic twice the first time I went the lined paper guide route, to tedious still had an inward pull. When I finished they looked bad and I cut them all some many hours down the drain cut them all out. I then free handed the lines I placed the bottom line, one 1/4, one 1/2 and one at the uppermost line, and eyeballed the spacing got really good, it was very quick too.

 

I like your idea have you tried to clamp the bottom and uppermost only then fill in???

 

Kudos you have come up with a keeper this buds for you :cheers:


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garym

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This is something I wish I had thought about a long time ago. I have used the lined paper to check on the lines after I tied the knots. I always left a little sag in the lines to not make them pull together. This method you showed will get rid of that problem easily. Thanks for posting and figuring out this solution to an age old problem.


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Lou van Wijhe

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​I have always been a believer in 'jigs' and any aid that would produce uniformity in a build.  Clever, and well done!  There is always a 'better or easier way' to do most operations, thanks for posting and sharing.

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druxey

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Ingenious and simple, JMS! Whatever method you use, ratlines are a slow job.


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thibaultron

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Thanks!!


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Great idea John.  I hope you don't mind a question.   Is your model a kit?  The reason I ask is that the ratlines appear to be rather heavy compared to the shrouds.  Mondfeld and others calls them out at about 1.5" circumference or just under 1/2" diameter.  Surely these varied from era to era and nation to nation, but probably not much. This may seem small but the linear breaking strength of 3 and 4 strand 1/2" diameter hemp rope is over 2000 pounds.   Regardless, thank you for sharing your idea!  The clove hitches are a treat to see.

 

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Dupree Allen

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Just added another tool to the chest. Simplicity is best most times. Thanks for the tip.

 

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Johnnymike

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Allan

 

Yes, this is a model, the Prins Willem @100:1 scale so some things are not in exact scale. 

 

I am quite happily surprised at the positive response to this simplistic idea.

 

I hope it works for others as it has for me. Believe me I am a novice and before this my rat lines made me want to give up building tall ships.

 

You will also find you can tighten the knots easily without moving the vertical lines and keep the rat lines nice and tight.. After I tie a knot and snug it up I tap it down to the bars with my tweezers and it seems to nest slightly between the bars giving a nice straight and tight rat line section.  If you do notice the rat lines are going up or down hill you can easily edge one side of the bars up slightly to get you back to level. I am able to use the tensioner all the way from the bottom to the top and get a very consistent look to all the lines. 

 

Thanks for you comments

 

JMS

 

 

 

 

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BANYAN

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Great idea and good results.  Thanks for sharing.

 

cheers

 

Pat


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So simple,great idea, will be trying that when i get round to the rat lines on my endeavour,thank you  ,


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mtdoramike

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I have tied hundreds ratlines over a 20 year period and the first thing I realized after my first attempt at it is that ratlines do not have to be overly tight and the cross pieces should have a slight stirrup effect to it if you are looking for realism. Your rig looks promising and I will give it a go on the Monte that I'm getting close to the ratlines process now. Anything to make that process easier is a win win.

 

 

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EJ_L

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I will be tying ratlines in the next few days on my main mast shrouds. I will be giving this a try for sure as it has been already stated, anything to make them easier is a gift. Thanks for sharing!!! :D


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Johnnymike

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Mike

 

I see that also and just tell myself that no one has used the rat lines yet and that us why they are taught.

 

JMS


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Great idea!!!  It will make attaching the rat lines easier, faster and more realistic. One (two) question though about the sandpaper: what grit did you use and does the sand paper have any affect on the shroud lines? (ruffing them up?)

 

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