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Need some Help with a couple dimensions I cant seem to locate for my offsets


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JosephHuntley

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hey guys I finally came across some awesome drawings and the cool part is they have already been corrected of errors by the team that was going to restore one of the ships.

I am giving a link to all I have on the ship along with my excel sheet for the offsets and my curve files

here is my problem I got all the curves tested in solidworks and they indead have been fixed up however I am missing the info for a couple dimensions to enter into the curves for the stations to complete them.

I am missing the Half-Siding, the Deck Sheer and the Plank Sheer Dimensions to finish the curve files off properly

http://www.profloone...oner-Wapama.zip

 

it is The Steamer Schooner WAPAMA Circa 1915

 

above is zip file of everything I have  its the drawings, an excell file I made of the offsets, and all the curve files I made for importing into Solidworks (unlike some other cad programs I have to make each curve file as a separate file

 

these are some really really nice plans and I want do do a good job on it as its one of the few sets of drawings where i can actually understand them as a newbie to ship modelling. I just am having some problems at the moment figuring out what those 3 missing dimensions come from so I can enter them in the proper space in my tables

 

thanks

Joe


Edited by JosephHuntley, 02 January 2017 - 11:26 PM.

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Cap'n'Bob

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I cannot open your .zip file.  Says web page cannot be found.  I like the WAPAMA and hope to build it myself someday.

 

Bob


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Every build is a learning experience.

 

Current build:  Two Edwardian launches

 

Completed builds:  US Coast Guard Pequot   Friendship-sloop,  Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard,   Spray,   Grand-Banks-dory

                                                a gaff rigged yawl,  HOGA (YT-146),  Int'l Dragon Class II

 

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same issue here


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     14 Apr 2014 - Building my Modelling Table
     16 June 2014 -  Refit of the Schooner Charlie
     13 June 2015 - Building my Light Box
 
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Same issue


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JosephHuntley

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sorry guys i just got the link fixed


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Ok I got the bottom of the curve files fixed. I found the correct dimension for the lower portion but it was 10" and it should have been 9" all the way from station 1 1/2 to 9 so far and looking at the profile 9 1/2 will be the same.

Station 1/2 will be at 12" and station 1 will be at 1- 1/2 inches

once i can figure out what the heck to do abt the tops and the last 2 stations once they are all finished I will edit the offset table to correct it to match properly so that we have a proper table.

like i said any help would be appreciated.

 

Wapama-12.png


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from same site I got the really nice drawings for the 3 masted Schooner C.A. Thayer I uploaded in case anyone is interested http://www.profloone...oner-Thayer.rar


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once I finish this one I want to do the Thayer also as an R/C Model so my grandson and I can sail together. I am having a ton of fun drawing ships little more so than i did with planes, however trying to figure out how to do stations is driving me to short sessions as I get frustrated and just shut down my drawing program lol. it is a steep learning curve for me but i wont give up i have an unhealthy obsession going right now to get this and the thayers hulls done once I have the hulls the rest is downhill for me as figuring out how they frame together etc is just a matter of reading threads and doing some studying


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Well after all day of messing around I got every station but the last 2 to work out. once I update the files with the corrections I will upload a fixed version

 

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Ok so I got things all adjusted in my excel file and any changes and repacked it all up so now it is current as to what I have it as now

 

http://www.profloone...oner-Wapama.zip


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Cap'n'Bob

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Thanks for all the info.  That moves the Wapama higher on my list.

 

Bob


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Every build is a learning experience.

 

Current build:  Two Edwardian launches

 

Completed builds:  US Coast Guard Pequot   Friendship-sloop,  Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard,   Spray,   Grand-Banks-dory

                                                a gaff rigged yawl,  HOGA (YT-146),  Int'l Dragon Class II

 

In the Gallary:   Catboat,   International-Dragon-Class,   Spray


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I was late getting back here and I see you've gotten along quite well with your SolidWorks sketches ... and modelling.

SW is an uphill trudge for the first timer.  I spent a day trying to put a point on a pencil when I started learning on my own at home.

 

I also looked at the docs in your zipped file.

What a beautiful schooner and to have all those drawings and images is priceless.

 

I hope you record your progress on the forum because this surely is one I'd like to follow.


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"only dead fish go with the flow"   :dancetl6:

BUILDS
     1989-90 : 27 foot Type K MONAGU WHALER (1945), POF scratch build, scale 1:12, pulling sweeps stored & rigged for sailing, clinker built
     ***31 Dec 2013 - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class
     14 Apr 2014 - Building my Modelling Table
     16 June 2014 -  Refit of the Schooner Charlie
     13 June 2015 - Building my Light Box
 
*** active build


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thanks guys yes I have been using solidworks since like solidworks 5 or so lol when it was new so many many years. I am used to drawing aircraft now trying to do ships. the only hull I have been able to sucessfuly able to get drawn is for fletcher class destroywher where i have the full bath shipyard microfilm for.

 

So my problem now is figuring out the last 2 stations. so if anyone is good with offset tables and can help me.

 

I am also very new to how these are framed up so once I get going will definatley need help on timbers like how wide they are and how thick they usually are.

 

I may start with drawing up the keel and rabbet area. I just dont know where to start and how to get the last 2 stations going

 


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PS as soon as i figure everything out will start an actual draw/build thread.

 

I wanna use this to try and get some help on these offsets I am still missing from being 100% complete


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Ok got a test loft going. looking good but for the transom. will add some buttock lines to my loft to help the shapes more.

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Ok So now I decided to try working with the Buttocks. it makes it tricky as not all hit every station thus i need to do it in sections. once I get it though I can create more stations and wont need the Buttock Lines. this should give me a better hull shape when finished

 

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ok while I make a mess of the hull trying to get the transom figured out let me ask a question or two

 

in the picture below it shows some dimensions for the Futtock (think thats what they called) widths

 

But it shows 2 different dimensions why are there 2 dimensions?

 

 

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Ok next Question to make sure I understand all this right

 

in below pic I am seeing frames are 2'-6" apart on center made up of 2 frames 10 1/2" thick laminated together.

 

and from frames 21-41 something abt sister frames 9" thick. (I assume sister frames are basically to help stiffen and give somewhere to attach joints to and are like partial stations?

 

 

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JosephHuntley

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then in this picture I have no clue as to what these upper boards are or how they really go

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your zebra image looks quite good to me

 

image in post 17

your frames are doubled, two back to back then a sister frame then two more

in each set (double frame) the joints are staggered

one dimension is the foward frame floor joint location

the other is ther aft frame floor joint location dimension

 

image post 17

your "room and space", "molded and sided" dimension info is given between image 17 and 18

I'd guess the space is the gap filled with the sister frame between frame sets.

your space in image 17 is 9"... but you have not gap

there is a filler or sister frame installed

seems your framing is solid

 

image post 19

all timbers do not go to the main rail

every third one terminates below the weather deck with open space up to the covering board that is filled with a cleat to support the covering board

the frame to the right of it reachs the covering board which fills the space at the weather deck

this allows for openings through the wall for water on the weather deck to flow out of like drain passage ways but keeps the water from flowing down between frames and rotting them out

the frame to the left goes all the way up to the main rail above the weather deck creating the wall so people do not get washed overboard.

 

image 9

station 10 seems wrong at the stern post

the stern post does not run as a straight line, it bows out to accomodate the propellor shaft

station 10 would follow this profile albiet inboard for the rabbet where the planking terminates

 

hope this helps


Edited by AON, 04 January 2017 - 10:50 AM.

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Alan O'Neill
"only dead fish go with the flow"   :dancetl6:

BUILDS
     1989-90 : 27 foot Type K MONAGU WHALER (1945), POF scratch build, scale 1:12, pulling sweeps stored & rigged for sailing, clinker built
     ***31 Dec 2013 - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class
     14 Apr 2014 - Building my Modelling Table
     16 June 2014 -  Refit of the Schooner Charlie
     13 June 2015 - Building my Light Box
 
*** active build





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