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Triton (1:48) by kellrandy (Randall)
Posted 09 February 2014 - 07:21 AM
On to other things... The transoms I am having to redo. I didn't shape them correctly the first go round and am trying to figure out the shape. I'm not able to visualize it properly I guess. Is the whole top and bottom tapered as shown on the stern view? And if so, what's the purpose of the line that's in the middle? Does that taper on the inside of the transoms? Thanks again for helping out a rookie!
Posted 09 February 2014 - 09:10 AM
I can tell you what worked for me. I did not tapered these pieces untill the framing of the stern was done. With the frames raised you will have a "better view" of hull. ( at least the stern, if you glue the aft cant frames)
Hope this will help you. Good luck!
Posted 09 February 2014 - 04:08 PM
Edited by kellrandy, 09 February 2014 - 04:10 PM.
Posted 09 February 2014 - 08:41 PM
The ends are lower than the joint. I did so because that was what the plans showed. But if I had to do these pieces again, I would make them completely parallel to the keel. It's what I've seen in most of plans since.
The truth is that they were a pain on the neck. Repeated a lot of them ... It is not the parts of the ship that I'm most proud of but re-do it now is out of my mind...
You can see some pics on my log (1st page post #6)...
Posted 10 February 2014 - 05:48 AM
Hi all, back with a little bit more progress... The first set is the mounting to the board to get ready for framing. Since the build board is a pretty good size, I acquired some table legs with locking wheels so I could rotate it around to get to all aspects from any angle. Also, the mounting is set up the same way with as little in the way as possible without compromising security and support for the keel, stem, and stern. The second is the second go with the transoms, they're almost ready to glue in place, plus I have to remake filling #3, that's why it's not in the photos. I broke it in half while I was tapering it, oops. I learned quick not to cut the notch before I shape them, lol.
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Have a good week everyone!
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Posted 13 February 2014 - 03:49 AM
Posted 26 February 2014 - 08:01 PM
Try this it might help but only for the stern frames
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I do not remember where it came from, might be in the downloads or one of the group posted it
Edited by the learner, 26 February 2014 - 08:02 PM.
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Posted 27 February 2014 - 08:14 AM
Guy... I drawed that one... Hope it has help you.
Randall, those patterns are to set them on your tilt table of the disc sander. Have a look on the last post of Guy. It explain very well the process. To be honest on the stem cant frames I just tilted the table to the angle refered on the plans, sand a stick 15x15mm of pine first at that angle, put it against the deadwood and see if it was correct and if so, sanded the frame working as Guy,,, slooowly. I marked with pencil where the direction of the sanding were to go. TRY WITH SCRAP PIECES FIRST.
Posted 06 March 2014 - 07:59 AM
You forgot the stern! but yes they were a great help giving an almost an exact angle of the frame to the keel. I can't help it I have a slow and underpowered sander, the price was right! free lol
Edited by the learner, 06 March 2014 - 08:00 AM.
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Posted 16 March 2014 - 08:38 PM
Hi everyone, been a while, but I have also been busy making the aft can't frames and they're ready to start raising. Not to many pics this time around. In one of my research books, it was stated that the frames were bolted with 1" copper bolts and also anchor chocks were placed in-between the futtocks. I did the bolting, but not the anchor chocks on the aft cant frames as I couldn't see exactly how to cut them into the futtocks before I faired them in. I do intend to place them into the square frames though. Next up is raising the aft frames them moving on to the fore cant frames and hawse pieces, then fill in the middle. Thanks to Guy and Daniel very much for the help with the angles, they worked out really well.
I'm all set to start raising them. Have some good scrap pieces to make the support block spacers and some walnut for the gunport lintels & sills, and a set of braces for the top to set the correct width. Until next time...
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Posted 17 March 2014 - 06:13 AM
Hi guys, rookie is back again...
So, I was all excited to raise my first frame, #28. Got the ends of the transoms prepped and ready to go then came the test fit with some rubber bands and as you can see from the pics, the width is way off. I have no idea where this error came from or how to fix it yet. If I push them out, to get the brace in-between, I won't even be able to attach it to the transoms. What boggles my mind even more, is that it fits fine on the template. Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I hope the blacking out is ok for the copyright stuff as I don't know how else to get my explanation of the problem across. Thanks in advance guys...
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Edited by kellrandy, 17 March 2014 - 08:45 PM.
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Posted 17 March 2014 - 09:18 AM
Looks nice, I also like the wood choice (grain shows nicely in the photos)
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Posted 17 March 2014 - 07:58 PM
I must be missing something as I don't see what the problem is. Can you highlight it on the photos?
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Posted 17 March 2014 - 08:44 PM
Posted 18 March 2014 - 08:33 PM
Posted 18 March 2014 - 10:23 PM
I also don't see a problem. You have correctly cut the frames to match the pattern. When installed, the frames will be angled to sit against the ends of the transoms. When angled like this, the top ends of the frames will be closer together than they originally appear on the pattern (I think this is your main concern, please correct me if it isn't).
Consider it this way: lay a book open on a table, then watch how the distance between the corners decreases as you close the book. The pattern is printed as if the 'book' were wide open, so that you cut the frame to the correct shape, and during installation the 'book' is partially closed.
Hopefully this helps explain why your spacer block fits with the frames on the pattern and not with the frames installed.
Current project: HMS Pandora (1779) CAD build
Posted 18 March 2014 - 11:08 PM
Thank you for that explanation, I do see it now and does make sense, but the stern portion is pretty bad. Earlier in my build, I was having a lot of issues with the keel plan versus what came out from the cutting templates for the keel, deadwood, transoms, etc. They were all about too big versus the keel plan, so I cut the parts to fit the keel plan. Now, on the framing jig, the frames are not fitting the deadwood at all because now it's all too short. I could get 28 & 27 to fit on their step, but the rest were pushed too far out and off of their steps. I also made the template for the steps from the keel plan. Comparing them to the cutting template, they're pushed too far back. I thought my plans were printing out too big, but now I can surely see they are coming out fine.
So I'm glad I can get over things quickly. Here's my plan, re-do the stern portion. I'll remake the last two sections of keel so it's right and the deadwoods stop at frames #19 for the stern and Q at the fore sections as this is what the DOF shows. Then redo the stern post, inner post, deadwood, and transoms, trimming only to the cutting templates as I did on the stem. I believe this will put me back on the right track, I hope.
Posted 19 March 2014 - 12:10 AM
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