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Dear friends,

as I proofed my Corel-kit being an abbreviation of a 51 3/95 tons Revenue Cutter scaled to 1/64 (instead of the 1:50 advertised on the box's cover!) with an overstreched bowsprit to give it a goodlooking Loa in the sizelist I'm disappointed of the kit! So I go ahead foreward to the original drawing of Howard I. Chapelle in hin famous book: "The History of the American Sailing Ships" page 193. There we can find a propper drawing of the 51 3/95 tons Revenue Cutter (see below). And there will be a plenty of stupid beginners questions like: What material is perfect to fit the requirements of these or those part.

 

So I'm going to start the 1/48 scratch parallel to the 1/64 kit.

 

 

 

Hopefully you like it - meenwhile I'm going to my copyshop to enlarge to books drawings up to 1ft = 6,35m\m . Than I'm going to scan the pictures and give you a list of detailled booksides to find them in your public libary arround the corner.

 

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Thanks for the waterline pic, I wondered why that ship had such a large back end. Good luck with the build.

Casey

 

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Best of luck with this build Stan, tis a nice looking Cutter!

 

Eamonn

 

Thanks Eamonn - she is really a beauty - wait for the pics coming next... that's a honey!

 

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Another cutter to watch.  It should be a fine build.

 

Bob

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Thanks for the waterline pic, I wondered why that ship had such a large back end. Good luck with the build.

 

The large back gives underwater a longer rudder with certainly a larger area. Able to  force the aft of the cutter in the wanted direction.

 

 

 Back from the copy shop I can scan for you what I got scaled to 1/48.

The sections and the gun are originally 1/48 - the rest is reduced to 40%, sorry for this.

 

I found some interesting details in the plan like the gun's circle rail is from copper.

But I couldn't figure out the gun - so I add a scaled draing for our ordonance specialists.

 

I'm awaiting your comments highly interested.

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Hello Stan ; 

 

Wish you good luck with your build. Waiting for the next steps.

 

Bugra.

 

 

Thanks to all of you - I'll begin with somethine quite primitive... the building yard board. Just glueing the waterline and inverted waterline drawing together to know where the sections have to been put.

 

But this'll be tomorrows work.

 

What would be the best plywood thickness to buy fore the backbone and formers-bulkheads?

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Hello stan ; 

 

I usually use 4mm plywood. It's easy to find and cheaper than other thicknesses. 3mm or 4 mm will be fine guess. Hm? 

 

Bugra.

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Hello stan ; 

 

I usually use 4mm plywood. It's easy to find and cheaper than other thicknesses. 3mm or 4 mm will be fine guess. Hm? 

 

Bugra.

 

Hy, managed to catch in the "e(lectric) bay"

 

a dozen slats of  4m/m birch plywood 500 x 500 m/m 

and

a hand full of  4m/Aucoumea klaineana plywood 1000 x 300 m/m for the backbones

paying no p&p :-) in Germany.

And so I added four slips of fine pear veneer  450 x 300 x 0,5 m/m adding to the plankings stripes I'd had allready bought for the kit.

But wood is painful expensive...

So I can start for not a 100 Euros payed for wood for more than four ship's hulls - I wouldn't get a single kit for this.

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Stan,

 

I'll be here for this build.  Looks like you're getting her sorted out.

 

As for the gun.. it's a "pivot gun".  There's a wheel at each corner of the base and the whole thing rotates on the track.  There's a pin in the center of the base that secures it to the deck.   My Constellation has two of them but they are of a much later era than the one yours has.

Mark
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1st pic: Stupidly cutted off my scaling ruler on the top of the papers... :blush:

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Hy to all of you - the discussion with Wayne brought me to be very conservativly and caused by this the Projects names sounds now very stiff and wooden:

 

 

 U. S. Revenue Cutter of 51 3/95 tons  1815

constructed by Doughty, William 

drawing by Howard I. Chapelle

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Deconstructivism!!! The copies wer'n't mirror-inverted So I stript off the portside and as I have done I got the idea to documentate it for you - so I was forced to add the red arrows in the scan to show the failers more clearly....As I haven't got a scriber I used a cutterknive for scribing.
(The DigiCam doesn't still want to work - so I put the basebord brutally in the scanner! Edit this makes fun :D )

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Hey Stan ; 

 

I liked the word, Deconstructivism :) And your scanner idea is perfect ! :) 

 

Waiting for more :) 

 

Bugra.

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Here the Idea of the scale invented by my scanner :-)

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Here my drawing for the baseboard/backbone: now with a better crystal measurement in the scanner.

 

I already figreured out

 

to need

- a staircase

- room under the skylight

- slots for the masts

 

but do I need

- the illusions of holds under the main hatch

- a oven in the room under the galley hatch? both with a orange "?" inside the arrow

 

What do you think?

 

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I think the worst problem is the mixture of sectionslot "A"  and the mastslot!!!

 

Still awaiting my wood...

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I think the 'Illusion' of a hold space under the grating may not be required (depending of course on whether you leave the grating off or on) if on then painting the area under it black would probably be enough (this is what I and many others have in fact done, but with your scale of 1:48 the grating 'holes' may be rather large allowing some limited view below (perhaps trim away a little of the False Keel that would be visible immediately beneath the grating, then paint all black (the illusion of 'depth' would be maintained then)

The oven situation would be much the same, are you putting a grating over it? if you are then maybe just a block of wood (painted black) in the general shape of an oven will suffice..

A lot would depend on how wide the gaps in the grating will be.

 

Perhaps wait for a few more answers before committing, especially from anyone doing 1:48 scale (my Bounty is around that scale, she is 1:46 I think, haven't checked in ages, and not a lot is visible below decks through the grating, there is some visible but then again her side is 'cut' away to reveal the innards (but I'd recommend cutting away some False Keel though and blackening all over the areas!)

 

Hope this was some help

 

All The Best

 

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Here may be a greenhorn's solution - let's be cruel!!!  :angry: So I think about shorten of the slot for the mast

add some softwood all arround all the rest of length under deck to fix it propperly...

 

and may be the most tricky idea

let's turning arround the construction concept for the one B'l'k'head "A" so it is to be put in from Australia... ;)

 

I hope it'll worl because the edged between B'lk'head and Backbone are filled with an pice of wood already... as tried in "Ranger" to force the B#lk'h'ds in rectangular order.

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I think the 'Illusion' of a hold space under the grating may not be required (depending of course on whether you leave the grating off or on) if on then painting the area under it black would probably be enough (this is what I and many others have in fact done, but with your scale of 1:48 the grating 'holes' may be rather large allowing some limited view below (perhaps trim away a little of the False Keel that would be visible immediately beneath the grating, then paint all black (the illusion of 'depth' would be maintained then)

The oven situation would be much the same, are you putting a grating over it? if you are then maybe just a block of wood (painted black) in the general shape of an oven will suffice..

A lot would depend on how wide the gaps in the grating will be.

 

Perhaps wait for a few more answers before committing, especially from anyone doing 1:48 scale (my Bounty is around that scale, she is 1:46 I think, haven't checked in ages, and not a lot is visible below decks through the grating, there is some visible but then again her side is 'cut' away to reveal the innards (but I'd recommend cutting away some False Keel though and blackening all over the areas!)

 

Hope this was some help

 

All The Best

 

Eamonn

 

Okay Eamonn,

 

thank you for these bouquet of very good solutions... I updated my between-ears-software by reading{1.  As I read the "holes" in the grating were max. 50x50 m/m   {2 due to the heel's measurement of the shoes theier days - not slapsticly getting stuck in the hole with the heel :dancetl6: By this "rule" the holes will be 1,0467 x1,0467 m/:huh:  But the "problem is the viewers can see deeper inside wehen the look between the tick woods - don't konw how the tell you - the graphic in the picture may hopefully give you an idea you need... :blush: :blush: :blush:

 

So I think I'l have to get a little bit deeper in the hull depending on the angel of the view of the visitor.

 

It is very logical to read in the books and suddenly getting so complex to "translate" it into just and only the "planing" of a part of a model {3

So I thing cutting away something from the false keel/backb'n' has always to be "answered" by strengthem it by adding wood (or a sheet of metal)

 

And all this without any 1/2048 cubicinch of wood in my hand... :wacko:

 

 

 

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{1Oh yes it's an oldfashinon way doing so. :P:D ...as my child was made in Germany & born - not ordered, paypaled & downloaded ;)

 

{2Mondfeld "Historical Shipmodels. A manual for modelbuilders"/Mosaik edition 1978 (p. 122 "Grätings" )

 

{3 lots of  thinks receive attention coming "from diffent corners" of the model and the original... I've to admid I'm feeling a little bit like a person between two dimensions - the one dealing with the originalship in a 3D-copymachine to reduce it down to 1/48 of it's original size by transforming the originally used material into something still working honing it down to the scale size. In the other dimension i've got my plan 2D triying to enlarge it into something in the room. With the goal of  "filling" the reduced original from above. {4

 

{4 A typical misidea was to pull b'lkh'd "A" away from the mastfoot just cutting a new slort into the backbone... and realising that I'll change the waterlines doing this- than I tried to alter the sections outlines...

And here the result:  :(  :huh:  :o:unsure::wacko::ph34r::omg:  52.gif

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Hi again Stan, I think you'll get the job done to your satisfaction, thankfully you are finding these problems/questions at the planning stage :) !

 

Quick point though: looking at the cross section through the hull (in a photo 2 posts back) showing Bulkhead 'A', I noticed that you draw the Bulkhead out to the very edge of the Ship's outline! don't forget to allow for the thickness of your planking (Single or Double Planking) as Line Drawings are usually to the outside measurements of vessels (unless the plans specify that it is drawn to the inside of the planking), were you to plank on top of where your Bulkhead is drawn to, you may find that some measurements later will be off (and loose an awful lot of time trying to figure out how this happened) remember to do this for all places that require planking, Decks etc .

Please do check this elsewhere to make sure I'm not telling you wrong information. ;)

 

All the Best

 

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Hi again Stan, I think you'll get the job done to your satisfaction, thankfully you are finding these problems/questions at the planning stage :) !

 

Quick point though: looking at the cross section through the hull (in a photo 2 posts back) showing Bulkhead 'A', I noticed that you draw the Bulkhead out to the very edge of the Ship's outline! don't forget to allow for the thickness of your planking (Single or Double Planking) as Line Drawings are usually to the outside measurements of vessels (unless the plans specify that it is drawn to the inside of the planking), were you to plank on top of where your Bulkhead is drawn to, you may find that some measurements later will be off (and loose an awful lot of time trying to figure out how this happened) remember to do this for all places that require planking, Decks etc .

Please do check this elsewhere to make sure I'm not telling you wrong information. ;)

 

All the Best

 

Eamonn

 

Thanks Eamonn,

 

I found this in the planing stage - but if I find those many fails in the planning stage what mass is still hidden for the building part of the model??? :huh: Okay... I'll figure out those problems later...

 

The OUT -  and INplanking drawing was a problem I never have dealing with because Tamiya hasn't got handed out such problems out to the modelbuilder. ;) So I was shocked and found the sections are all drawn INside of the planking - so I can saw them out (when... IF my wood comes to me) by glueing a mirrowed and an original half of the sections plan together on the plywood. and  I get from this drawing the dimensions of the keel wood, too. So far  the INside part.

The OUTlining is only in the waterline/horizontal plan - what I only use for the arrangement of the  bulkheads on the yardground/buildingboard.The brown boxes shall show the position of the bulkheads with glueingfoot on board - and the green the outlinerunning of the plankings outline. The orange shows the beveling of the bulkheads.

The planking will be a  11/2 planking - by filling the space between the bulkheads with softwood to get a glueing surface for the planking.

 

What is the thickness of the planking on these American Revenue Marine Cutters? Mondfeld talks only about continental and R.N. planking and Chapelle about coast crafts but U.S. R.M. shipbuilding might be diffrend.This will be important because I have bought 0,6m/m pear wood vaneer - what means 28,8 m/m   in the original or  1.1338582677165354inch what seems to be a little bit skinny over the rips of the bulkheads... so I might have to add an cheapwooden "underplanking" to come to the original thickness.

 

Do you think I'm stilll "on a good trap" to come to a welldone solution with my planking?

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Yours

 

Stan

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Yea, Stan you may want to make those planking timbers a bit thicker, as you say you can always double plank with something cheaper underneath, My Ballahoo (I:64 Scale) has 2mm thick planking (2 lots of 1mm thick planks, with Lime wood being the underneath planking) Have you a deck or hull planking plan? because if you could find out how 'wide' each plank was you may be able to interpret how thick it would have been (for instance if the real original planks were around 8 or 10 inch wide you might think that 1.5 or 2 inch thick is about right, then scale that to the model, not totally accurate but it will give you a starting point, and even at your scale '1:48' you are likely to be only a Millimetre out! :P )

 

Best of Luck Stan

 

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I don't have a 1/48 planking or dechsplankingh plan - All I've got is the Chapell's drawing  I atteched in here above. I don't trust the Corel's drawings - so I don't think I should enlarge them from 1/64 up to 1/48.

 

So as you told me the drawings of the Ancre Schooner will be very helpfull to me.

 

Here my backbone II with my first trial to place it on a stand.

Hoping you like it,

 

greeting over the seas,

 

Stan

 

 

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Thanks Eamonn, fpr the motivation -  but what I need is the possibility to put these two plans to consolidate:

Because I need one area that is found in both drawing... the easiest to find was the  CWL - blue in the drawuings.

But in the sections plan it is a curved line! :angry:  :o Nothing I've ever dealt with...

 

Okay,

this'll be my problem for this weekend. :huh:

 

Yours,

Stan

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Hi Stan, am I correct in thinking you are having difficulty relating to the Plan Drawings?

 

Because virtually all the lines are in both drawings! What looks a straight line in one drawing will be a curve in the other (very few straight lines on boats) that's why the CWL (Waterplane-area Coefficient) looks straight from the side drawing, and is a curve from the front and back drawing.

 

Have you checked out how to read Ship Plans on this site (there is a download in the 'Main Site & Article Downloads part at the very top of the this page, up where the 'Forum , Members etc.'  are  Go into Plans & Research and download the pdf  Interpreting Line Drawings this should help with making better sense of the Buttocks, Stations & Waterlines in the plans, that is what all the various lines on the plans are called.  The plans do consolidate in that they show the Sheer Plan, Body Plan & Waterlines Plan on one sheet of paper  (Sheer Plan is the 'Side View' of the boat, Body Plan is the one looking along the boat from the Front and the Back, The Waterline Plan is the one looking from above down on the boat)

Confusing I know, but if you were to colour the various 'Buttock, Stations & Waterlines' lines on the Sheer Plan (The 'Side View') different colours (example Red for Buttocks, Green for Stations and Blue for Waterlines) then locate them on the other 2 plans and colour them the same Red, Green & Blue it should really help you make sense of things

 

Hope this is of help

 

 

Eamonn

 

I have no doubt that you will make sense of all those lines, and that things will fall into place very quickly ;) 

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I would redraw the plans.  Rotate the profile drawing so the water lines are horizontal then when you draw the sections the water line on them will be straight.

 

Bob

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