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HMS Triton (cross section) by Gabe K - 1:96

Triton Cross section Scratch build HMS Triton

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#41
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Nice work, Gabe.  And that's a neat trick with the calipers.


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Gabe,

Okay ,this one is from me ...... WOW!

That is a nice build log.

Now I have question:

Where on earth did you find those nice clamps (brass but I also saw black ones).

I would like to get hold of those.


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Dr. Per,

 

Those look like these:  http://www.micromark...se=clamps brass   I have some and they are great.

 

Edit:  I found that Lee Valley has them also... http://www.leevalley...169&cat=1,43838


Edited by mtaylor, 20 December 2015 - 06:31 AM.

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Mark,
Seems like the bars from Lee Valley is cheaper.... which is great. Another great source for tools and draining my account. :P


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Thanks for the likes and the comments, Mark and Per!

The black machinst's clamps are also from Lee Valley: http://www.leevalley...938&cat=1,43314
Oh...the Canadian dollar is so low now that it might be cheaper than the US if you do the conversions.

Ahhhh..Lee Valley...we have a store in my city 😍 and I shop there so often that I know several of their staff by name! Their online shopping is fantastic - they will deliver to the store for free.

Most of my Christmas gifts this year (and past years) are from there...I print my (considerable) wish list and gave it to my family.😇
...and my wife's biggest fear is that I get a job there after I retire! That would pretty much kill our pensions! 😳

Regards and happy shopping!😄
Gabe

Edited by GabeK, 20 December 2015 - 12:37 PM.

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Coming along great, very nice build.   Wish you hadn't posted the link to the clamps, Now I will have to get some!!!!  Thanks for the information. Looking forward to more


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Sorry, Pete! On the positive side, the people around you now have another gift option for you! Start filling that wish list on the Lee Valley site.
Regards,
Gabe
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Thick stuff
Just about fed up with my little table saw...particularly the ripping blade. I just can't get consistent results. I switched over to the cross cut blade and I now have less trouble setting it up and ripping strips, but this blade leaves much rougher edges that need sanding. Well, a little bit of elbow grease is worth keeping my blood pressure in check by reducing my frustrations!

Moving along with 1.80 mm thick pieces for the thick stuff. I sanded the edges to get matched pairs of planks and marked them to make sure I butt up the right pieces and sides.


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Although I knew there was a reason, I could never figure out why the planks on the inside of the hull were different thicknesses. I figured it had something to do with stability of the hull, but why were they placed where they were? Now that I have built up some frames and I'm at this stage of my build I understand exactly why. The thick stuff planks line up perfectly with the joints in the futtocks, supporting them.

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Why didn't I realize this before? I think there must have been thick stuff between my ears!😜

Clear skies!
Gabe

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Gabe,

 

What kind of saw?  Have you tried a slitting blade?  Also, a thinner blade isn't always better.  You get less of a kerf but there's more flex in the blade.

 

 

Lovely work on the framing and an excellent deduction on the planks.  I never thought of that before and I'm sure others havent' either.


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Finishing the thick stuff in the hold and a sticky conumdrum

I mentioned in an earlier post that I was going to remove the deck clamps in order to replace them with anchor stock styled ones. I had actually decided to leave them as is. I was worried that I would just make a total mess of it and possibly damage things if I tried to remove these pieces. Besides, at this scale I doubt that anyone would even notice the clamps under the mess deck. ( I was mentally composing my excuses and apologies to you folks for changing my mind😞 )

However, I changed my mind (again?) when, as I was cutting away some excess on one of the longer planks of thick stuff, I snagged the end of one clamp and the glue joint failed on the outside frame. Carefully, and with considerable fear, I took an xacto knife to each of the other joints and managed to pry off the clamp! I attacked the other one and was able to remove both clamps without harming the frames. Although it wasn't easy, I was still able to separate the wood cleanly.

So, now I have some big questions about my glue! 😳 I'm using yellow carpenter's glue ( Rona brand - Canadian DIY chain) and clamping the work for usually 8-12 hours, so I thought I had good, solid joints. Going to have to think about this a little.

Anyway...thick stuff done for the hold. Ready for new deck clamps.
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What kind of saw?  Have you tried a slitting blade?  Also, a thinner blade isn't always better.  You get less of a kerf but there's more flex in the blade.

Thanks for the comments, Mark. I'm using a Microlux saw...the one with fixed blade height. The ripping blade is actually thicker than the cross cut, but I can see that it tips away ever so slightly from the fence as I feed the stock through. Just half a mm is too much. I've played with feed rate, types of fences, etc, but I end up ruining a lot of wood. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! I'm wasn't even aware of slitting blades, but I checked them out and I'm on the hunt for one!

Lovely work on the framing and an excellent deduction on the planks.  I never thought of that before and I'm sure others havent' either.

Thanks, Mark! It really jumps out at you when you see the Anatomy of the Ship drawings. The deck clamps, beams and spirketting all line up on joints as well. I also wondered why between decks would be so low...it seems like the builders were more concerned with the hull's integrity than sailor comfort!

Here's a pic from AotS Pandora
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Gabe,

I have the MicroLux saw with tilting arbor and all that... the older one, not the new one.  Blade height is also not fixed.   That could be part of the problem is too much blade above the wood... 

 

For blades, I used these:  http://www.thurstonm...t-off-saws.html   

I also use Jeff's tips:   http://www.hobbymill...w-operation.php

 

 

 

I can't answer the question about the glue. I've noticed that also that the wood isn't truly bonded but can be popped off.  Maybe that's a good thing? 


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Gabe, the only thing I could think of for the gluing is to rough up or scuff the contact areas with some fine sand paper. Increase the bonding surfaces on a micro level.

 

I'm not familiar with your glue brand, but the Titebond  and Elmer's yellow glues I use seem to bond and hold quite well. The wood will break before the Titebond does.


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As Ken said above, try roughing the glueing surface with sandpaper. The smoother (finer) the sandpaper the more closed the wood cells will be and not absorb the glue as much, the rougher the sandpaper the more open the wood cells will be to absorb the glue and make a better bond.


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Thanks for all the advice Mark, Ken and Pete...

And I have Titebond! Didn't think to use it on something this small. Roughing up the surfaces is a standard operating procedure for me, but this model is so small that I have only been using fine sanding and filing. I'll give it a try, though. In this case it was lucky that I didn't do a good job on gluing up!

I checked out the site you gave me, Mark, and I'm definitely interested. Any idea what kind of costs we are talking about on the 2" slitting blades?

Much appreciated, folks.

Clear skies,
Gabe
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I think I paid $10 US last time I ordered but I use the 3" blades.   Just make sure you get the right sizes for your machine.   You can't order on line but an email or a phone call works very well.  Nice people and fast service.


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Thanks for the kind words...and all the best of the season to you and yours.

And thank you to all the likes and comments from everyone...makes me want to work on the model more!

Kindest regards,
Gabe
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Hey Gabe,

I was starting to worry you'd given up. Everything looks super and the level of detail you're incorporating into your build is outstanding. Can't wait to see more.

Ray


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Thanks, Ray! Good to hear from you. It's been a bit of a busy term for me...and I was fighting with my little lumber mill to produce planks that were consistent. Still not happy with the amount of time and effort I need to invest in this...but I'll muddle through.
All the best to you and yours!
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Hi Gabe,

She's looking good. Can you tell me how large (small, actually) the cross-s ction is?

Jan




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