Lukasvdb Posted June 6, 2014 Author Share #31 Posted June 6, 2014 (edited) thank you all for your kind comments! it really gives me extra encouragement to bring this project to the next level! Thank you for your constructive comment Doreltomin! The deck is all paint over plastic. The way heller made the lower gun deck, it was just a plain piece of plastic with 3 holes in it. I scribed all the planks in it and painted it. First a coat of black, then a light coat of gray, and then some random strakes of sand colour and earthbrown, then I gave it a wash with some thinned down brown paint Ah yes, the problem with the masts, I know the foremast is a little bit warped but the main mast is straight, thank god I already addressed this problem a bit, I think the foremast is a little bit straighter but I will certainly try your tips! Thank you! Cheers! Edited June 6, 2014 by Lukasvdb Doreltomin and docidle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted June 6, 2014 Share #32 Posted June 6, 2014 Wonderful effect Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasvdb Posted June 6, 2014 Author Share #33 Posted June 6, 2014 Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasvdb Posted June 6, 2014 Author Share #34 Posted June 6, 2014 So the port side cannons are glued to the deck, the breeching ropes however are not yet finished but that will be for next week! So, as I like to display my models in a realistic way I went ahead and did a little water test. As you don't see many ship models actually on the water, I prepared mine so it can float Maybe she sits al little high for now but there's a lot more stuff to go on her Enjoy! MarisStella.hr, dgbot, docidle and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasvdb Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share #35 Posted June 10, 2014 Finally, all the cannons on the gun deck are finished, FINALLY I'm happy with the way it looks, especially when you will not see a thing of it, a shame but it was good practice for the ones that will be visible egkb, docidle, MarisStella.hr and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasvdb Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share #36 Posted June 10, 2014 Hey all, I have a question regarding the anchors. I'm at the stage where I will fit the anchor ropes. According to Heller's instructions there should be four ropes, I'm a little confused because on most (read almost all of them) models I only see two anchor ropes. Can anyone explain this to me? Or is this merely one of the differences between Britisch and French ships of the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted June 11, 2014 Share #37 Posted June 11, 2014 Lukas, not sure I can comment definitively, but I would think there are different answers in differents scenarios. I don't think that the 4 anchor hawse would have all been attached to the anchor all at the same time, maybe the two foremost being attached and the other anchors secured to the ship. More anchor rope could have been used if there was a need to anchor also by the stern, but that was probably a rare event. I'd suggest going with 2 ropes secured to the 2 forward most anchors. Gunner 1 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasvdb Posted June 11, 2014 Author Share #38 Posted June 11, 2014 Thank you Jason for your constructive comment! As I am following Jean Boudriot's work I decided to go with four ropes, in the event this does not work out the way I want it to, I can always reduce the amount of ropes to two . I made some big progress today! I installed the upper gun deck, which normally is a very tricky job! I read on some other build logs that this is a process where a lot of stuff breaks off but there is a little trick to it. I sawed the dek in two, making it much easier to install. I did not dislodge any cannons and the wholes for the masts are still alligned I also did a dry fit with the quarterdeck (?) and the ships boat (cutter?), it's looking good! egkb, docidle, clearway and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDutchShipBuilder Posted June 11, 2014 Share #39 Posted June 11, 2014 WOW, your model is already looking very good Lukas! I myself didn't do such a good job with plastic ships Quote Nick Model building Projects in progress: - Hermione la Fayette, Artesania Latina: - LINK TO Forum (MSW): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2649-hermione-la-fayette-by-nickvn-artesania-latina-second-wooden-ship-built/page-1 - LINK TO Photo album (dutch website): https://modelbrouwers.nl/albums/album/11697/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasvdb Posted June 12, 2014 Author Share #40 Posted June 12, 2014 Thank you Nick! It is my first ship of this kind that I have built and so far so good! TheDutchShipBuilder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasvdb Posted June 20, 2014 Author Share #41 Posted June 20, 2014 Some progress I installed eyelets on the upper whale, as this would be used as to hang off to paint or fix things around the hull. Did both sides and still need painting, but I kind of like this look. I have had trouble painting those brass eyelets because the paint doesn't adhere that well. Is there any blackening solution that could be recomended that is both cheap and efficient? I also managed to put together a suiting figurehead as I don't like the one Heller supplied me with. It is a spartan from the 1/72 figurene set of indeed, spartans his left leg is fixed by now, it's more straight now, and looking as if he is pushing of off the ship, forward, in attack mode in his right arm there will be a lance or spear if you will Also started putting together the canon for the upper gun deck gunbarrels are not yet cleaned up and drilled. docidle, foxy, hexnut and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted June 21, 2014 Share #42 Posted June 21, 2014 Nice replacement figure Lukas, that winged shield figure on Superbe is a pretty ugly device. When you come to rig the 'show' guns on the upper decks remember the French rigged their breeching ropes thro' the sides of the carriage, not around the cascobal or thro' a breeching ring as on British ships. B.E. Quote Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasvdb Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share #43 Posted June 22, 2014 Thank you B.E.! Thank you for the tip, but I think I like the British configuration better... I don't know why but it looks more professional to me It is more work but will give me greater satisfaction, I have no doubt about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algeciras1801 Posted July 4, 2014 Share #44 Posted July 4, 2014 (edited) Great build so far Lucas. Love your rigging of the long guns, that must have taken ages and your painting is really crisp and precise. With that new figurehead she looks a dead ringer for Spartiate, a ship captured by the British at the Battle of the Nile in 1798. One thing if i might though, your anchor cable does look a tad overscale. P.S. I believe those front beams you asked about are actually called head rails. Edited July 5, 2014 by algeciras1801 Lukasvdb 1 Quote Regards, Algie AKA Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasvdb Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share #45 Posted July 10, 2014 Thank you for your kind comment algeciras! I have a lot of patience and I used all of it, I was sometimes on the brink of a nervous brakedown though It's nice to know that my ship will have some historic value, haha The anchor cables... yes I was thinking the cables might be overscaled... The current thickness is 1,75mm, what would you think suit better, 1,25mm perhaps? I am still able to change it if I want to, I may be able to find suitable rope. Grtz algeciras1801 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted July 10, 2014 Share #46 Posted July 10, 2014 There is an old adage when working in a small scale. If it looks too big it probably is. David B JerryTodd 1 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algeciras1801 Posted July 10, 2014 Share #47 Posted July 10, 2014 You're welcome Lukas. If I recall correctly Blue Ensign used a 1.0mm size thread for his Le Praetorian but I should think 1.25mm would be fine (It looks okay on my Superbe anyway) Quote Regards, Algie AKA Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algeciras1801 Posted July 11, 2014 Share #48 Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) Lukas, I'm not sure if you are aware of this but i've just noticed the pillars supporting the top deck in the waist of the ship (parts 145) are very close to the guns on the upper deck. I've moved mine so they are positioned mid way between each gun port. Edited July 11, 2014 by algeciras1801 Quote Regards, Algie AKA Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasvdb Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share #49 Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) Thank you for the tip algericas! I already noticed this error and I am surely taking this into account. I will change the spancing as necessary. PS: are you also following blue ensigns build on pete-coleman forum? It is a goldmine of tips for me! good luck building! Edited July 12, 2014 by Lukasvdb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algeciras1801 Posted July 14, 2014 Share #50 Posted July 14, 2014 Not a member of that forum. Thankfully B.E. Is only the click of a mouse away if i need to 'grill him' for information! Quote Regards, Algie AKA Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasvdb Posted April 2, 2015 Author Share #51 Posted April 2, 2015 Hi all! Back again. I have restarted work on le superbe once more. This time going all in I have added some detail by the steps at port- and starboardside: a rope for the sailors to hold on to when climbing up. From a close perspective, it does look a bit messy but it's better seen with the naked eye. Tying nots is still a challenge though. Does anyone have any tips on this subject? I also ordered some 1,3 mm rope as anchor cable. Does look much better than the 1,7mm before! The gun deck was also closed up (also a big leap forward in this build) with the forward piece to hold the bowsprit in place I have also ordered some Black Brass to blacken the ring bolts. The ones that are installed already I'll leave on. But the result will be better than just being painted black . Also for future projects (jolly roger) this product will come in handy! Some pictures: foxy, docidle, WackoWolf and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasvdb Posted May 5, 2015 Author Share #52 Posted May 5, 2015 Hi all! I want to let you know that I'm still working on this beauty. The 18 pounder cannons of the upper gun deck (is this correct?) are painted and ready to be rigged. I just need to add the breeching ropes. At this time I am installing the eyebolts in the inner bullwarks to attach all the rigging for the cannon. Pics will follow this evening so please bear with me on this! Greetings to all. docidle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy Posted May 5, 2015 Share #53 Posted May 5, 2015 The lighter guns were allways at the top. Heavy/medium and light for three Decked ships. Very nice work . Frank. Lukasvdb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasvdb Posted May 5, 2015 Author Share #54 Posted May 5, 2015 Thanks Frank! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye2sea Posted May 5, 2015 Share #55 Posted May 5, 2015 I installed eyelets on the upper whale, as this would be used as to hang off to paint or fix things around the hull. Did both sides and still need painting, but I kind of like this look. I have had trouble painting those brass eyelets because the paint doesn't adhere that well. Is there any blackening solution that could be recomended that is both cheap and efficient? Lucas, be aware that Heller intends those eyebolts to be the anchor points for the shroud deadeye chains. Heller wants you to simulate the chains with line tied to those eyebolts. It is too late for my build, but if I had known about it earlier I would not have installed these eyebolts and made proper chains with their anchor bolts and back links. As it is now I will be soldering links together and fitting them in place after the channels and deadeyes are in place. A much more fiddely task. Regards, docidle 1 Quote Henry Laissez le bon temps rouler ! Current Build: Le Soleil Royal Completed Build: Amerigo Vespucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted May 5, 2015 Share #56 Posted May 5, 2015 I built Heller's Victory 1/100 many years ago. I also built their Royal Louis in 1/200. It was a real pleasure. I hope you enjoy your build as much! Best wishes. Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasvdb Posted May 5, 2015 Author Share #57 Posted May 5, 2015 Thankt for the tip Popeye! I have already fill the holes where those eyebolts should go. I intend to make my own chainplates and chains instead of using the way heller suggested! I just don't like that I enjoy this build very much! It's a challenge but I learn so much! So here are some pictures as promised! I finished the eyebolts for the cannons that will be visible. All the eyebolts are vertical now but I think there should also be some horizontal? Can anyone help me on this? I looked up some references and it seems that both all vertical or all horizontal or a mixture of both is common. egkb, mtaylor, dgbot and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted May 5, 2015 Share #58 Posted May 5, 2015 Have you ever been to an IPMS show. You are doing wonders. David B Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye2sea Posted May 6, 2015 Share #59 Posted May 6, 2015 So here are some pictures as promised! I finished the eyebolts for the cannons that will be visible. All the eyebolts are vertical now but I think there should also be some horizontal? Can anyone help me on this? I looked up some references and it seems that both all vertical or all horizontal or a mixture of both is common. On my build I put the lower eyebolts aligned vertically to take the breeching. Actually I used ring bolts. The ring hangs naturally from a vertical eye. On the upper eybolts I aligned them horizontally in order to drop the hook on the gun tackle into. docidle 1 Quote Henry Laissez le bon temps rouler ! Current Build: Le Soleil Royal Completed Build: Amerigo Vespucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasvdb Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share #60 Posted May 6, 2015 Thank you dgbot! No I have never been to such a show but I would like to one day! Maybe when there's a big modeling convention in Belgium. We'll see would be nice to pick up some new techniques! Thanks Henry, If you don't mind I will do this also but without the ring bolts. This scale and my skills don't yet allow this. I'm afraid that if I will try to do too much that I will burn myself on this build... But I will keep it in mind for my next build of Lindberg's Jolly Roger! More pictures coming soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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