baggiwinkles

[Richard Griffith]

Hello everyone, first, best wishes for your holiday season!

 

How do we make baggiwinkles for a model?  

 

Eric Ronnberg, Jr figured out an excellent method as evidence on his fishing schooners at Mystic Seaport.  I checked my reference library and seached this forum to no avail,  My scales are 3/16 and 1/4, fishing schooners.  Thanks.

 

Duff

[geoff]

Hi Duff, when I was building R/C scale models I used Chenille on my 1:24 scale wooden steam drifter. I got this from a shop specialising in fly tying equipment, or you may get it from a haberdashers store if there is such a thing in your area , or the ever useful Amazon. Hope this is of use to you! All the best, Geoff. By the way ,I think the correct term is Baggywrinkles?

Edited December 14, 2014 by geoff

[Richard Griffith]

Thanks Geof, I will look around.

 

 In the USA, we seldom use term haberdashers, we use men's clothier........same but different language.

 

All the best.                        Duff

[geoff]

thanks Duff. In the UK the term "Haberdasher"(very old fashioned)! refers to a store specializing in needlework, knitting, sewing threads etc..Hope this makes sense!?

[JerseyCity Frankie]

I’m happy to see the topic discussed since one seldom sees baggywrinkle, or any chafe gear of any kind, depicted on a model. Probably this is due to its not being shown on rigging plans.

I have used brown paper glued over bits of line on the model to simulate leather chafe gear but the only baggywrinkle I put on any of my models was on ship in a bottle models of schooners. As a joke I made the baggyrinkle on THOSE models out of a tiny slice of  rope yarn. Thus it was made out of real baggywrinkle.

I hate to be the guy that suggests a technique I have not actually ever tried or seen done, but here goes: On a large scale model one could almost make real baggywrinkle? One could shave off 1/32” rope fibers from the yarn of a tight laid natural fiber line, and drag a thread dipped in glue through the pile of fibers. When dry the thread could be spiraled around a quarter lift or wherever.

[davyboy]

I have heard of Tobacco Pipe cleaners being used to simulate Baggywrinkles by wrapping  them around the Stays,Shrouds etc where required.

 

Dave

[Richard Griffith]

Thanks Dave and Geoff~!

 

Since I have pipe cleaners on hand, I will try them first.

 

I think I will remove the wire and see if the hairs can be applied to the line without scattering the hairs all over the shop.

 

Duff

[CaptainSteve]

OK !!!

I admit it !!!

I possess absolutely ZERO actual sailing experience, whatsoever !!

 

Soooo .... can someone please explain precisely what baggywrinkles are/do ??

Are they exclusive to a particular ship/boat type and/or era ??

 

Also, how would I include them on a build ??

 

EDIT: For those also wondering just What The Hell Is A Baggywrinkle??

Edited December 18, 2014 by CaptainSteve

[NHDave]

It's used as chafing protection for sails that may come in contact with a section of rigging line. If it can be well done it is a nice addition, but I would omit unless it can be reproduced realistically in the scale you are working. I'm not sure how far back it's use goes, but it is still used today.

 

Dave

[geoff]

I have seen it used on say a fore & aft mizzen sail where a running rigging line, or downhaul crosses the sail diagonally & as Dave rightly says it prevents the rigging chafing against the sail. Not sure where the origin of the word "Baggywrinkles" comes from other than I like the sound of it!

[mtaylor]

  The only reference to it's origin that I could find by Googling is:  https://books.google.com/books?id=Fp63wWByImQC&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=baggywrinkle+etymology&source=bl&ots=dvNAIl65rv&sig=R2NGugN_d39jN1wF2fj3OnoFcQg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=rSyTVPnSLMSeggSTt4DgDg&ved=0CD0Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=baggywrinkle%20etymology&f=false

Edited December 18, 2014 by mtaylor

[geoff]

I got some info by googling       "baggywrinkles".

[mtaylor]

I went the same way but since you wanted "origin"... I had to fine hone the search...  baggiewrinkles then added until I found something:  definition, etymology, and finally hit it on: origin    I'm not the brightest light in the chandelier. 

Edited December 18, 2014 by mtaylor

[geoff]

after I typed in baggywrinkles then I clicked on wikkipedia. I got a few lines of info that's all.

[mtaylor]

Well.. that's about normal.  I've found it takes some sometimes careful re-wording of the search to find what we need in this hobby.  

[JerryTodd]

At a distance new baggywrinkle tends to look a bit like fuzzy caterpillars or pipe-cleaners.  It gets droopy with age and looks more like hair than fuzz.

When I was on her in 78-79, Gazela Primeiro's entire forestay was baggywrinkled along with many spots on the backstays.  We replaced a portion of it on the forestay and made it up just as shown in the diagram already posted.  It's a bit like wrapping garland tightly around a rope - it takes a lot of it to cover any length and we had about a 6 foot section to replace.

 

I don't see it on models very much, even the model of Gazela in Philly doesn't have a speck of it.  I also seldom ever see it in paintings, but then most paintings of ships aren't done by someone that knows anything about ships.

[Tadeusz43]

Hi,

Baggiwinkles on contemporary ships.

Fot.1,2,7 Mexican trainig ship Cuauhtemoc

Fot.5,6 Russian trainig ship Kruzenstern

Fot. 4 Polish yaht Frideric Chopin

Fot.3  Polish training ship Dar Młodzieży

 

Merry Christmas and Happy Modelling in New Year.

 

Tadeusz

[Richard Griffith]

Thanks all.  I can now attempt to make them, and correct my spelling.

 

Have a safe and enjoyable holiday season~!

 

Duff

[CaptainSteve]

Duff !!!

Please consider posting pics and a description of how you make these to Kit-Basher's .... once they are done, o'course.

[JesseLee]

Never heard of this before. After doing many searches of its use I found one place that said its first use was in 1951. Does anyone know if this is correct? If so it may explain why it is not shown on models since so many are ships from before the 1950's.

[geoff]

way before 1951 JesseLee. I once built a R/C model of a wooden steam drifter called "Formidible" c1900 & they are clearly shown on pics. of these vessels but I guess they go even further back than that? All the best, Geoff

[Thanasis]

Hi all.

Please see also

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/1133-baggywrinkles/?hl=baggywinkles  and 

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmrb.modelisme-medias.com%2Farticles%2F45-trucs-a-astuces%2F121-astuces.html&edit-text=

 

Thanks

Edited December 20, 2014 by Thanasis

[JerryTodd]

Found another picture of baggywrinkle...