AON Posted December 17, 2014 Share #1 Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) Having attempted making my first batch of rope blocks, drilling many many MANY holes with a pin vise I have decided I need a mini chuck for my drill press for the next time I attempt anything like this. I just found these two products on the McMaster-Carr website Has anyone used them? Is there something better out there? Alan MMC 28055A71 drill chuck No 70 - 1_4 drill.pdf MMC 30505A5 drill chuck No 90 - No 60 drill.pdf Edited December 17, 2014 by AON Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted December 17, 2014 Share #2 Posted December 17, 2014 I've been looking for something like that 2nd one. Looking forward to what other options folks come up with in this thread before ordering. Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtosail Posted December 17, 2014 Share #3 Posted December 17, 2014 I use this one from Model Expo: http://www.modelexpo-online.com/product.asp?ITEMNO=EN409C It takes a bit of fiddling to get those small drill bits centered in the chuck, but after that it works pretty well. AON 1 Quote - Tom - Current Build: Vanguard Speedy Completed: Vanguard Duchess of Kingston, Stove Project, Ships Wheel Project, NRG Capstan Project, Billings Half Moon, Dumas Chris Craft 1938 27' Triple Cockpit Barrel Back, Panart Santa Lucia , Model Shipways Constitution , MS Bounty Launch , HMS Beagle Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted December 17, 2014 Share #4 Posted December 17, 2014 I use the Dremel Workstation as a drill press. It's available thru MicroMark http://www.micromark.com/dremel-workstation,8556.html Dremel has collets that take even the smallest drill bits. Mine works fine for model work. justsayrow and AON 2 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share #5 Posted December 17, 2014 Thanks guys, My dremel is quite old and I am not sure it would clamp properly as the new dremel's seem to have a space aged shape to them. Also I cannot find a dremel chuck for the smaller bits... all these would work in it, or my drill press. I like the $US2.99 price of the Model Expo attachment for the price. I'll have to check out the shipping costs to get it to the Great White North. The McM-C items seem like a nice pair, the larger one locking with a key and the smaller one by finger (or pliers?) Would still like to hear more opinions if there are any Alan Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Seiler Posted December 17, 2014 Share #6 Posted December 17, 2014 Another option http://www.amazon.com/Mini-Drill-Chuck-Shank-Micro/dp/B001S00FYM/ref=sr_1_29?ie=UTF8&qid=1418837229&sr=8-29&keywords=dremel+micro AON 1 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, John Smith Shallop Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted December 17, 2014 Share #7 Posted December 17, 2014 An alternate option would be to purchase resharpened carbide drill bits. These have a standard 1/8" shaft that fits the Dremel collet. I would be surprised if there isn't someone in Canada you could purchase these from. I use Drill Bit City here in the states. The advantage of using a collet rather than a Jacobs chuck is stability of the bit, especially when drilling holes that need to be accurately positioned. Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: NRG Rigging Project Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted December 17, 2014 Share #8 Posted December 17, 2014 It's not a Dremel chuck you need but the interchangeable collets that go into the chuck. I have a Dremel 395 and 3001 and both fit the Workstation. They "clamp" in via threading on the "nose" of the drill. A ring is unscrewed and the dremel is then screwed into the workstation and router/shaper station. I have both the "old" Dremel and the new Dremel and use them both interchangeably The collets look like these http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/SubCategories.aspx?catid=2005&catname=Chucks+%26amp%3b+Collets and are not that expensive. WackoWolf 1 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share #9 Posted December 17, 2014 Thank you Jack That gets me down to a #67 bit I'll have to check the model number of my dremel to see if it will work with the press All and all my dremel does not run at a very slow speed (cannot get down below about 1000RPM) where as my big drill press will... and I've been looking for replacement rotor brushes as they are getting worn again and now no one seems to carry them locally. I suppose I'll need to buy these online also at some time. *********** Toni, I've checked locally and seems there aren't any re-sharpened bit suppliers willing to reveal themselves I suspect they would likely buy from the US and mark it up substantially Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Blarney Posted December 17, 2014 Share #10 Posted December 17, 2014 The 90-60 chuck is probably better, and is not expensive. But, I'll think that you'll find that the drillpress itself wobbles quite a bit, unless it has good bearings, is aligned, and is securely mounted on a study bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburchfield1@wowway.com Posted December 18, 2014 Share #11 Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) I've got the chuck that Chuck mentioned. It works great and it's cheap. Used it just last night to drill 8 holes in my mast partners. And it should chuck up in any dremel. -EDIT- BTW, my dremel is an old cheapie, non-variable, working at 30,000 RPM Edited December 18, 2014 by Pops Quote Previous build(mostly) - 18th Century Longboat Current build - Bounty Launch Next build - San Francisco by AL Future build - Red Dragon Future build - Mayflower from Model Expo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted December 18, 2014 Share #12 Posted December 18, 2014 Alan, Check the link Tom gave at ModelExpo. They claim down to #80. WackoWolf 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimber Posted December 18, 2014 Share #13 Posted December 18, 2014 many pin vices I've seen unscrew on the back half to store the extra sizes of vice. can just try removing the back half of your pin vice and stick it in your drill/drill press. JPett 1 Quote Current Build Log(s): -Swift Virginia Pilot Boat 1805- Artesania Latina 1985 no sails kit. My first wooden ship build. - Carrack - Woodkrafter Kits Completed Build Log(s): -Pirate Ship- Woodkrafter Kits Ship in a Bottle - First ship in a bottle kit build. -The Secret Revealed Boat in a Bottle Kit- Authentic Models - Ship In Bottle On the Shelf to build: - Build a Ship in a Bottle Kit - Authentic Models - The Chesapeake Bay Flattie - Midwest Products - Armistad 1832 - Serial Modellbau - San Gabriele 1497 - Serial Modellbau - Clara May English Ketch - Artesania Latina - Santa Maria - Scientific - Margaretha - Tris Model - Paranzella - Tris Model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share #14 Posted December 18, 2014 Grimber What a wonderful Idea! Nice thinking outside of the box. I'll have to give it a try... tonight... to early in the am at the moment and I'd hate to wake the Master and Commander at this un-Godly hour Alan Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grsjax Posted December 18, 2014 Share #15 Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) Thank you Jack That gets me down to a #67 bit I'll have to check the model number of my dremel to see if it will work with the press All and all my dremel does not run at a very slow speed (cannot get down below about 1000RPM) where as my big drill press will... and I've been looking for replacement rotor brushes as they are getting worn again and now no one seems to carry them locally. I suppose I'll need to buy these online also at some time. *********** Toni, I've checked locally and seems there aren't any re-sharpened bit suppliers willing to reveal themselves I suspect they would likely buy from the US and mark it up substantially If you look on eBay you will find several sets of resharpened carbide bits for sale. Price tends to be about $12 for 10 bits. I bought a set recently and they are pretty good. Here is a set of 50 on eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-Micro-Carbide-Drill-Bits-CNC-Dremel-Jewelry-/151515931888?pt=Model_Kit_US&hash=item23470da4f0 Edited December 18, 2014 by grsjax Quote My advice and comments are always worth what you paid for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted December 18, 2014 Share #16 Posted December 18, 2014 Just a word of caution re carbide bits. They are excellent and I often use them BUT - they are very brittle compared to the usual HSS bits and require a good drilling technique to use them. If you hand hold your Dremel (or equivalent) they need a sort or stabbing action to make sure there is no sideways twist. John AON 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figuerres Posted December 18, 2014 Share #17 Posted December 18, 2014 dremel drill press and the older dremel's I have an older one that works fine with the workstation, also the router kit works fine. they attach to the threaded collar on the dremel not to the body so unless they change that then it works. AON 1 Quote Holding at Rigging stage : MS Bluenose 1:64, rigging and finish work Building Hull : MS Fair American 1:48 In the yard: 18th Century Longboat, Model Shipways Kit Done: AL Bounty Jolly Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share #18 Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) I have (what I consider) some $$ invested in a XYZ vice and a drill press combo. Not what some might consider major dollars but enough for me. I will try the "chuck" transfer from the pin vise to the drill press tonight If this does not "do it' for me I think I will just purchase the items from McMaster-Carr and be done with it. (If I order with our next shop order at work I save on the shipping into Canada) I will let you all know how it turns out Anything is better then doing it by eye and hand which is what I've just gone through ( you get older [eyes] and less steady [hands] ) Don't get me wrong, I love my dremel but the drill press is sitting there staring at me saying "yo, I'm here, use me!!" Edited December 18, 2014 by AON Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share #19 Posted December 19, 2014 Well I gave it a try and it did not work The Insert from the pin vice has three jaws The chuck on my drill press has three jaws but obviously larger The drill press jaw spacing does not allow the pin vice jaws to clamp or collapse, they bind up, so the drill bit does not clamp in place to allow it to be used. I tried spinning it a bit to see if it was just a misalignment thing, but it was not to be. I will need to purchase something and think I will get the two from McMaster-Carr to cover my bases This will be after the holidays as after today I am off for two weeks...hurray!! Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimber Posted December 19, 2014 Share #20 Posted December 19, 2014 (edited) Hi, didn't mean to just use the vice, but the whole front half of the pin vice. my mistake in typing. but if you got a cheapy china made one you may not want to do that. mine I think is made of alluminum, but I have 2 so I did it with one just for use in a drill, and my other for using by hand. Edited December 19, 2014 by Grimber cristikc and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Build Log(s): -Swift Virginia Pilot Boat 1805- Artesania Latina 1985 no sails kit. My first wooden ship build. - Carrack - Woodkrafter Kits Completed Build Log(s): -Pirate Ship- Woodkrafter Kits Ship in a Bottle - First ship in a bottle kit build. -The Secret Revealed Boat in a Bottle Kit- Authentic Models - Ship In Bottle On the Shelf to build: - Build a Ship in a Bottle Kit - Authentic Models - The Chesapeake Bay Flattie - Midwest Products - Armistad 1832 - Serial Modellbau - San Gabriele 1497 - Serial Modellbau - Clara May English Ketch - Artesania Latina - Santa Maria - Scientific - Margaretha - Tris Model - Paranzella - Tris Model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share #21 Posted December 19, 2014 I had in fact tried that quite some time ago but discovered the assembly was not symmetrical, the bit wobbled. That is why in my mind I thought you meant just the insert. My pin vice is the one in the PDF below. I also borrowed a different style from work to try and it too was not symmetrical. I'm guessing you've got a good one! PIN VISE.pdf Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimber Posted December 20, 2014 Share #22 Posted December 20, 2014 actually it was a cheap one from hong kong off ebay. little patience I got it for $2.00 http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-21pc-Micro-Drill-Bit-Set-Index-61-80-w-Swivel-Head-Pin-Vise-US-SHIPPER-/201039587229?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ecee4a79d made of aluminum and the swivel head keeps binding up as it is only held in place by very badly twisted ring, but i found it works great in a drill as long as you leave the 2nd vice in the handle shaft to keep the chuck from crushing handle. but I have been looking at just getting a small electric motor ( like used in RC vehicles) and put on the mini pin vice chuck Mini Small 2.3MM Electric Motor Shaft Clamp Fixture Chuck for 0.7MM-3.2MM Drill or getting one of those already made and just make a drill press type mount it http://www.ebay.com/itm/Small-PCB-Motor-Electric-Drill-Circuit-Board-Press-Drilling-0-5-2-5mm-21PCS-12V-/151295626753?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2339ec0e01 mtaylor 1 Quote Current Build Log(s): -Swift Virginia Pilot Boat 1805- Artesania Latina 1985 no sails kit. My first wooden ship build. - Carrack - Woodkrafter Kits Completed Build Log(s): -Pirate Ship- Woodkrafter Kits Ship in a Bottle - First ship in a bottle kit build. -The Secret Revealed Boat in a Bottle Kit- Authentic Models - Ship In Bottle On the Shelf to build: - Build a Ship in a Bottle Kit - Authentic Models - The Chesapeake Bay Flattie - Midwest Products - Armistad 1832 - Serial Modellbau - San Gabriele 1497 - Serial Modellbau - Clara May English Ketch - Artesania Latina - Santa Maria - Scientific - Margaretha - Tris Model - Paranzella - Tris Model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffT Posted December 20, 2014 Share #23 Posted December 20, 2014 Here are a couple of options: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-DRILL-CHUCK-model-ship-wood-kit-pin-vise-1-4-/161527436656?pt=Model_Kit_US&hash=item259bc91570 http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICRO-DRILL-CHUCK-model-ship-wood-kit-pin-vise-/161527436572?pt=Model_Kit_US&hash=item259bc9151c mtaylor 1 Quote Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted December 20, 2014 Share #24 Posted December 20, 2014 The issue is not necessarily the concentricity of the pin chuck or collets, but the concentricity of the chuck on the power equipment you are using. If the latter is off, the pin chuck or collet in the machine, however accurate, won't be any good. It's the weakest link effect. mtaylor and WackoWolf 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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