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#21
mtaylor

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Joel,

 

I counted 16.  There might be 2 more under the white roofs (right center) and possibly the one under the HMS Victory label is a double...  ???


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I only find 13.  I don't see where your other 3 are, but 2 could be the large slip areas to the left of your white roofs, but zooming in with Google maps (yep, cheating) those don't appear to be dry docks, there is no gate mechanism that I can see.

 

Joel,

 

I counted 16.  There might be 2 more under the white roofs (right center) and possibly the one under the HMS Victory label is a double...  ???



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Busy place, eh?  Note the increasing size needed for steel ships.

I think 18.  1 under 'Victory' label, two covered slips just above label 'Fleet Way'.  The open area to the left of 'Victory' label is the entrance.

 

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Mary Rose's house is the blimpish thing near Victory.  Warrior is tied up just off the bottom of the image.


Edited by jbshan, 19 February 2015 - 02:10 AM.

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The blocking might be up to 2 ft. square, as was the keel of a large ship.

I googled launching ways and slipway and found lots of pics.

I checked one of my books.  The bottom of the 'stack' of blocking they say was 16" tall, by 2 to 3 feet wide, fore 'n aft, by maybe 4 or 5 feet long, athwartships.  They show the stacks to get shorter as the bow is approached, so the hull is more level than the ways.



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Joel,

 

I think Brian is about the one dock.  The one with the blue question mark is the one that hasn't any gates.  It might have been a drydock but it doesn't appear to be one now.  The two red question marks would be the covered docks you spoke of.

 

I wasn't sure, but I thought the one I've labeled "10" might have been a double with the other dock to the left.

 

So 17?

 

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Edited by mtaylor, 19 February 2015 - 03:39 AM.

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http://modelshipworl...gn-17th-18th-c/



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I would not order ANYTHING from Velieri Modellismo. I ordered a kit from this joker and he never sent it. Every email I sent him he had a new excuse to not ship the model (Away from office, on my way to the post office right now waiting for packing material etc). After 4 emails he stopped responding. I filed a complaint to Paypal and he didn't even answer them. This was the fastest refund I ever got from Paypal. Even Euromodel Como was quite annoyed with this bloke.


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Mr Pucko: Thanks for the heads up on Velieri. Glad I didn't waste time emailing him or money !


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Here are a couple of blowups:

 

Victory & vicinity

 

Vic Docks.jpg

 

You can see, clockwise, Mary Rose's 'blimp', HMS Victory, WWI monitor M33.  Behind her closed gates a bridge over her entrance and a wharf with a current warship tied up.  M33 is in a single dock.

 

5 Docks copy.jpg

 

From the left:

Dried dock with ship, wet dock with bow on a float, 2 of what I take to be covered docks, wet dock with nothing in it.

I've marked with red the 'bridges' that can be placed across the ends of a drydock for traffic.  Note one is set to the side of the dock itself, but can be moved to close the opening in the dock.  The actual gates pivot into a recess in the side of the dock when open, see how M33s gates will fit into the sides of the dock.


Edited by jbshan, 21 February 2015 - 12:18 PM.

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Two more points and I'll let this get back to the original topic.

Note in the upper of my latest pics you can clearly see the steps in the side of the dock containing M33.

Portsmouth seems to have only docks, but if you go down the coast to Plymouth there are both drydocks and building slips evident.


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another launchway

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Edited by cor, 20 February 2015 - 08:00 PM.

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From Chapman, Architectura Etc.

Very nice, thank you, cor.


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take a look at this build 

 

http://www.der-lusti...zur-victory-184

 

and the results

 

 

 

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Edited by cor, 20 February 2015 - 10:46 PM.

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Very nice and very clever !  Thanks for posting.


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Wow, Cof, I like that one! Can you shoot a few more pictures and give some dimensions? Mine's a 1/64th scale.


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he build it for the victorie 1-84 scale  could ask him for some dimensions

 

http://www.der-lusti...zur-victory-184


Edited by cor, 21 February 2015 - 07:27 AM.

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Brian, his blog says about 70 cm long


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Current build: MS Willie L Bennett
Completed build log(s): MS 18th Century Longboat , AL Marie Jeanne
Gallery: AL Swift , AL Armed Virginia Sloop, AL Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , AL Marie Jeanne
In dry-dock: AL 1798 US Constellation,  MS Picket Boat,  Dumas Donzi Z65 Tournament Fisherman (R/C)

Other: 1912 Hudson River Ice Yacht Manhasset - RESTORATION - Scale = Full Size, Relief Carving for Model Ships


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Cor,

Thanks for the links.  It pushes me to try and do this myself.

 

I did contact Velieri. 

They do not take PayPal, only bank draft... at least from the U.S. 

After reading Pukko's comment I don't wonder why.

 

Just more reason to attempt it as a scratch build.  I need to go back to the link Cor provided and get a translation, but the pictures are pretty self explanatory.

 

Richard.


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In the lower right corner of the Velieri site it allows you to change the currency type.  Changing to Dollars says the launch kit is $185.41

You can scratch build a heck of a lot less.

 

 

Tom


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I built this slip with groundways to display my framed Swan class model. It is based on the description in Building the Wooden Fighting Ship, by Dodds and Moore. I omitted the shoring poles so as to not obscure the hull. After being built the ship would be encased in a launching cradle, which is shown on a photo on the first page of this topic.

 

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