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Pride of Baltimore II by jcoby - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64


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#21
Timothy Wood

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I have some photos of the Pride II, I'll see if I can dig them up for you!

 

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Well it's finally cold enough to get me out of the garage and back into the basement to start again on the Pride.

 

I resumed working on the after cabin trunk. This thing has been a major pain mostly because I do not really know how ships are built. Many thanks to bhermann for posting pictures.

 

I spent about two hours planking the top of the after cabin only to find out that one side had become about 1/2 strip more narrow than the other. That was far too much for me and would have caused the edge moulding to look very lopsided. So at about 1am I cut it off and went to bed.

 

I then decided to build the top of the after cabin as a single sheet on top of a piece of wax paper and then set it as a unit. This came out much, much better. It isn't exactly to the plans, I think it's about 0.032" too wide or so but it is fairly pleasing to the eye with an even reveal around the entire perimeter. 

 

I still need to add the hatches and trim but I am happy with the result so far.

 

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I also spent some time reworking the bowsprit cap. The plans call for the jibboom to be 11/64" max at the cap but the hole in the cap was about 1/32 too large. Originally I made the jibboom to match the cap but it looked clunky and out of scale. So I had to remake the cap. I am much happier with the result.

 

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The jib boom still needs a bit more work to get it absolutely straight and true and to thin it out but all in all it has better proportions. 

 

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I am struggling with understanding how to do the hardware that holds the dolphin striker and jibboom guy spreader. I will make the iron band out of either construction paper or brass but I have no clue on how to do the eyebolts. These pieces will be under compression so they need to have some rigidity but they also need to move freely. I don't even know how to mount and eye bolt to the spreaders at only 3/64" dia.

 

I also don't know how to make the iron ring that goes under the bee. The kit doesn't come with brass wide enough to make the iron band nor does it come with bobstays.

 

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Also the forum apparently hates portrait pictures.


Edited by jcoby, 02 December 2013 - 03:21 PM.

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#23
Bill Hime

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Hey jcoby!

 

I love the build! Nice log too. It's great to have someone else here that's building the Pride. Thanks for forging a path. I saw where you were having problems with Basswood fuzzing out on small details. That's why I'm using woods like Rosewood, Cherry, or Pear for detail parts. They hold sharp edges and are easy to work with chisels and files :)

I've learned a lot just looking through your log. I'll definitely follow along! Please feel welcome to comment/suggest on my log anytime!

 

 

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Hey jcoby!

 

I love the build! Nice log too. It's great to have someone else here that's building the Pride. Thanks for forging a path. I saw where you were having problems with Basswood fuzzing out on small details. That's why I'm using woods like Rosewood, Cherry, or Pear for detail parts. They hold sharp edges and are easy to work with chisels and files :)

I've learned a lot just looking through your log. I'll definitely follow along! Please feel welcome to comment/suggest on my log anytime!

 

 

Bill

 

This is actually the third time I posted the build. The first two had much more detail and I didn't feel like reposting all of that content. I followed your build and will post some pics as you get there. The planksheer and wale stanchions gave me about the most trouble during the build.

 

The basswood is a bit soft for detail. I may have to grab some harder woods for some of the detail parts. The bitts in particular are making me mad. I've probably put down 4" of chamfers 3/16" at a time on a sample piece and I have yet to get a good sharp chamfer consistently. I've tried scraping, cutting, sanding and I cannot get a consistent chamfer. I have some dogwood that I've been playing with. The grain is tight but it's a bit stringy to work with. I'd love to be able to afford boxwood. I cannot justify it though since I will be staining/painting according to the plans.

 

However the basswood does OK for the planking especially after a sand to 400. I can't say it's a very attractive wood but it comes out OK. The variation in coloration initially discouraged me but I like it after it's been stained. Gives the deck some "life."


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Work continues on the after cabin trunk.

 

First I built the framing for the hatch. I built it with square pieces and will true them later. Everything got a coat of mahogany stain.

 

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I took the downtime to install the mouldings.

 

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An hour or so later I trued up the hatch frame using a sharp chisel and a sanding block. I cut some black construction paper to act as the padding and glued everything into place. I then installed the fore section of the hatch frame.

 

The hatch frame is now complete minus some touchup work to the stain and paint.

 

It is probably too thick to be to scale at 1/32" (2" full size) but I did not want to work with thinner materials on such a delicate part. It doesn't look terribly out of place on the model to my untrained eye.

 

There are no dimensions or even full drawings of the hatch so I'm sort of just making it look right. I'm within 0.020" wherever I can be on the drawings.

 

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From here I need to build the sliding top that rides on the rails on the frame. It will be fixed in the closed position although it is tempting to leave it open a bit since I have the opening there already.

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After cabin hatch is complete. The harsh light I use makes it look worse than it does in person. The mahogany stain is too dark but it's consistent across the whole ship. I would definitely use a lighter stain doing it over again. I have some actual mahogany but it's far too coarsely grained to work at scale.

 

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I decided to do a test chamfer with some dogwood. First impressions are that this is a very hard, straight grained, and dense wood that takes a very fine and shiny finish. Also that I am not setup to work with hard woods. Most of my kit is setup for soft woods. Even my super sharp chisel has trouble slicing through the wood but it does so very cleanly.

 

I will mill up some 1/8" strips on the bandsaw and see if I can get a passable bitt out of it.

 

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Hi jcoby,

 

That is one gorgeous build you've got going!

 

For the dolphin striker and jibboom spreaders, I recommend putting 2 small eyebolts together. Insert the end of one eyebolt in the cap and the end of the other eyebolt into the end of the striker/spreader.

 

For the iron bands, I would wrap paper, brass or copper sheet/foil around the bowsprit, then drill holes thru it to attach the bullseyes.

 

Hope that helps.

 

Thanks,

 

Harvey



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Hi jcoby,

 

That is one gorgeous build you've got going!

 

For the dolphin striker and jibboom spreaders, I recommend putting 2 small eyebolts together. Insert the end of one eyebolt in the cap and the end of the other eyebolt into the end of the striker/spreader.

 

For the iron bands, I would wrap paper, brass or copper sheet/foil around the bowsprit, then drill holes thru it to attach the bullseyes.

 

Hope that helps.

 

Thanks,

 

Harvey

 

The plans call for eyebolts but I thought it was calling for the pre-made ones that come with the kit. Using those would allow for too much gap and everything would rattle around.

 

If I make some out of the brass wire stock I can close them up tight and they will be able to handle the compression stress easily. Thanks for the suggestion!

 

I plan on going to the local hobby store and picking up some brass sheet to make the bands in the next few days.

 

At this point I'm trying my best to find things to do to avoid building deck furniture. I really do not enjoy building deck furniture. I'm looking forward to rigging.


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Yesterday seemed to be one of those days when nothing goes right.

 

So instead of trying to finish the after cabin skylight and bell I decided to paint the box that goes just fore of the after cabin trunk. It will receive a mahogany top and two vent stacks and will stand on two legs.

 

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I then stained the main mast and painted the main boom. The main boom needs a few more cleats and eyelets added before I can seal it up with wipe-on poly.

 

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Every time I set another piece of the masts I'm amazed at how much sail area she has. There is a ring tail boom that extends out another 3" aft that I still need to make.

 

On several areas the masts call for 0.008" wires about 3/8" long. I assume they're for belaying or for routing lines. This wire is not included in the kit. I don't know if I can get brass that thin and I'm worried that if I use steel it will rust. Yet another thing I need to figure out before I can mark any one piece of the ship as finished.


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Hey jcoby,

 

Nice consistent work. You seem to always come up with good end solutions for troubling problems. Great thing about ship modeling, there is always something to work on while taking a break from unresolved issues :)

 

 

Bill


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Added the various cleats and the ringtail boom to the main boom.

 

I still need to add eye bolts, two more bands, cleats, foot ropes, and the 0.008" wire pins to the boom before it is complete.

 

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Forming those metal bands was a pain. I made a sort of figure 8 and soft soldered it together. Of course the boom grew in size after I painted it so I had to stretch the eyes out in order to get them installed and even then I scraped a bunch of paint up.

 

I was going to serve the eyes for foot ropes as well but the line that is included with the kit is awful. It is stiff plastic line and it is full of kinks from being wound around the bobbin. I doubt it will hang in any sort of realistic way.

 

The metal cleats included in the kit are far too big to attach to the boom so I will probably have to either buy some smaller ones or make some out of wood.


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Hi jcoby,

 

It's been a whild since I've checked your log and I must say that you are doing a fantastic job!  Keep up the fine work!!!!   :) 

 

Cheers,

Tim


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Current Build:

 

80' ELCO PT BOAT (Solid Hull)

 

 

 

 

Future Build:

  • BlueJacket - USS Kidd (Fletcher Class Destroyer) Solid Hull
  • Model Shipways - Pride of Baltimore II (Topsail Schooner) 
  • Model Shipways - Willie L. Bennett (Chesapeake Bay Skipjack)
  • Constructo - Pilar (Ernest Hemingway's Fishing Yacht)  
  • Sergal - Race Horse (Bomb Ketch)
  • Classic Warships - USS Salem CA-139 (Heavy Cruiser) Resin Kit
  • Pen Duick Schooner - Half Hull (Scratch Build)
  • CSA Submarine Hunley (Resin Kit)
  • Classic Warships - USS Washington BB-56 (Battleship) Resin Kit
  • Blue Ridge Models - USS Alaska CB-1 (Resin Kit)

 

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I spent a lovely afternoon sailing Baltimore Harbor in PRIDE OF BALTIMORE II. We had all fore and aft sails set but not the squares. I was hoping for them as well but that didn't happen. Still, she's a wonderful ship to steer. You can feel her power up as you bear off and she really starts to run. We had about 10-15 knot winds that day so it was beautiful sailing.



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Spent a little more time on the main boom. I installed the eyelets. I also decided that the drops from the eyelets were close enough to the 0.008" wire that was needed. It's a little out of scale at 0.015" (about 1" actual size) but they look fine and match the eyelets that are completely out of scale.

 

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The metal cleats supplied with the kit are far too big to use on the boom. So I started making some out of wood that will be more to scale. They are still far too big but not obnoxiously so.

 

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I also lashed the ringtail boom to the main boom but I later realized that all running rigging should be brown instead of black so I will be redoing it.


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I spent a lovely afternoon sailing Baltimore Harbor in PRIDE OF BALTIMORE II. We had all fore and aft sails set but not the squares. I was hoping for them as well but that didn't happen. Still, she's a wonderful ship to steer. You can feel her power up as you bear off and she really starts to run. We had about 10-15 knot winds that day so it was beautiful sailing.

 

Neat. With over 9000 sqft of sail I bet she moves on. It's hard to even find pictures of her under full sail. They seem to rarely set the studding sails. I can imagine it's a ton of work to set all of those sails though.

 

Here is the original Pride with all sails set.

 

Original%20PRIDE%20All%20Sails%20Set.jpg

 

And Pride II

 

PRIDE%20II%20FULL%20SAIL%20-%20History.J

 

I'm actually a little conflicted as to whether I want to display her with the studding booms set or not. I feel like they may be a little fragile.


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I've decided to start working from the bow aft when detailing the deck. No real reason other than I would like a break from making little boxes.

 

The cap rail was about 1/8" too long and far too pointy. I thought I could live with it but there is a piece that goes on top of it to guide some lines and it was going to be very difficult to make so it had to be reshaped.

 

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I decided to scarf in a little triangular piece instead of just reshaping the cap rail and adding in a little piece of filler. I have no clue how this section is done on the real ship. I cannot find pictures and it is not detailed on the plans. It's a fairly busy area so I don't think it will draw your eye too much even if it's incorrect.

 

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I also drilled the hawse pipes and started to paint the anchor winch. A couple pieces need to be set into the deck to act as supports for the winch and I'm not totally sure how I want to approach that. I should have set those during the decking process.


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I contacted Model Expo for replacements for the 1/8" and 5/16" dowels that came severely bowed. Replacements arrived within a few days. The 1/8" dowel is straight enough but the 5/16" has and S-curve in it with about 1/8" bow on each way. The original 5/16" dowel had about 3/8" bow right in the middle.

 

The 5/16" dowel is for the fore mast and it's about 15" long. I've been trying to find ways to straighten this dowel out but so far it's winning. I don't have anywhere locally to buy spruce dowel. Only poplar and oak.

 

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The anchor windlass is smaller than what the plans show. I am trying to decide if I want to adjust the pads to fit the windlass or just let the windlass sit on them a little funny.

 

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Alternatively I could attempt building a windlass from scratch. It's pretty intricate though and the mill and lathe that I have are way too big for doing such small work. Once it's all completed I don't think it will be worth the effort.


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That focs'l looks awesome. 



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Finished up the after cabin tonight except for the ship's bell. I will install the bell just before rigging so I don't have to worry about knocking it off or bending it.

 

It's kind of hard to see but the skylight is cut out and I installed a piece of blackened wood covered in packing tape to simulate the glass. I was originally going to use a window from an envelope and let you see into the skylight a bit but that didn't look very good as I made the skylights too close to the frame and there wasn't enough glue area to attach the clear plastic

 

All that's left for the after cabin is to coat it in wipe on poly and glue it to the deck. It's pretty exciting to see parts being attached to the deck after so much work!

 

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All is looking very Nice there JCoby.I have my plans out this evening and looking them over after finished here fortunatly I will have some assistence with mine from a member here on the board.I will be watching Sir. ;)






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