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Grand Banks dory by Cap'n'Bob - small - 1:32


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Cap'n'Bob

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As part of my last build, Joshua Slocum’s Spray, I built a dory and then cut it in half because he used half a dory as his “ship’s boat”.   I thought at the time a complete dory would be fun to build.

 

So, now, how were the old Grand Banks dories built? 

 

My research showed that during the 1880’s-1890’s the dory was built by the thousands, and was probably the first boat to be mass produced.  Each fishing schooner that went out carried as many dories and fishermen on board as it could.  This got me thinking.  The ship owners would be looking for the lowest price and the dory builders would be building as simply as possible to lower their cost.

 

The modern dory is a different boat.  The modern dory is long pieces of plywood and a few frames.  They have little rocker to almost flat on the bottom, and the chine strake is large at the ends and narrow in the middle.  This wastes wood and is something the dory builders of old would not have wanted to do. 

 

The written descriptions and pictures of the old dories show a boat with a deep rocker to the bottom and the chine plank is straight from bow to stern.  The old dory should be a simple boat to build. 

 

Now to this build.  Let’s have fun.  I will make the planks equal in width and straight from end to end and we will see what happens. 

 

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The half frame is a great advantage to mass production.  Several half frames can be made in advance and adjusted to fit at time of assembly. 

I made the half frames at 120 degrees. 

 

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Dories are made with lap strake construction.  The brass mounted on the angle prevents the angle from changing during sanding.  The brass is also mounted slightly above the angle to leave about .010” on the edge of the plank.

 

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I did not know how much rocker there would be in the bottom so I could not mount the frames on a building board before mounting the chine strake.


Edited by Cap'n'Bob, 08 September 2013 - 06:15 PM.

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Current build:  Two Edwardian launches

 

Completed builds:  US Coast Guard Pequot   Friendship-sloop,  Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard,   Spray,   Grand-Banks-dory

                                                a gaff rigged yawl,  HOGA (YT-146),  Int'l Dragon Class II

 

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Bob,
The Grand Banks Dory was my first scratch build. In fact it is my first completed boat. I just completed it last week.
I used the plans from the Shearwater site but built it half size at 1:24 scale.
http://www.shearwate...m/doryinst.html
I am going to try to attach a photo taken with my iPad - not the best quality but I'm pretty proud of this little guy.
Pete

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michael mott

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Bob, great I will be following along.

 

Nice looking dory Pete.

 

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Restoration      A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100

 

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Hi Pete,

              Your dory is well done. Glad to have another scratch builder aboard. 

 

Michael,

              Glad you found me.

 

Bob


Every build is a learning experience.

 

Current build:  Two Edwardian launches

 

Completed builds:  US Coast Guard Pequot   Friendship-sloop,  Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard,   Spray,   Grand-Banks-dory

                                                a gaff rigged yawl,  HOGA (YT-146),  Int'l Dragon Class II

 

In the Gallary:   Catboat,   International-Dragon-Class,   Spray


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Interesting, Bob.  I'll be keeping an eye out to see how she goes together.


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Bob, this looks to be a fun build.  Mind if I follow along?


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Cap'n'Bob

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Augie,  Mark,

 

Thanks for stopping by.

 

Bob


Every build is a learning experience.

 

Current build:  Two Edwardian launches

 

Completed builds:  US Coast Guard Pequot   Friendship-sloop,  Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard,   Spray,   Grand-Banks-dory

                                                a gaff rigged yawl,  HOGA (YT-146),  Int'l Dragon Class II

 

In the Gallary:   Catboat,   International-Dragon-Class,   Spray


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Bob,

 

Neat little build you have going here!  I've got to make a few for my schooner (at 1/48 scale) and am glad to see you embarking on this.

 

Elia


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Cap'n'Bob

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Elia,

 

I saw you lovely schooner the other day and was wondering how many dories she would have.

 

My dory for the Spray was 1:48.  Thay're a fun build.

 

Bob


Every build is a learning experience.

 

Current build:  Two Edwardian launches

 

Completed builds:  US Coast Guard Pequot   Friendship-sloop,  Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard,   Spray,   Grand-Banks-dory

                                                a gaff rigged yawl,  HOGA (YT-146),  Int'l Dragon Class II

 

In the Gallary:   Catboat,   International-Dragon-Class,   Spray


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]It’s amazing what you learn when you build a boat the way they were actually built.  I had always wondered why lap strake.  It seems like a difficult way to build a boat.  But then I decided to build a dory and guess what, they were lap strake built.  The building taught me why. 

 

The planks of a dory were only 5/8” thick, and the only way to get enough surface area between planks and provide a good seal is to put matching angles on planks so that instead of 5/8” surface you end up with about 1½”. 

 

 Here is the dory hull, still a long way to go. 

 

Bob

 

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Edited by Cap'n'Bob, 12 March 2013 - 12:26 AM.

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Every build is a learning experience.

 

Current build:  Two Edwardian launches

 

Completed builds:  US Coast Guard Pequot   Friendship-sloop,  Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard,   Spray,   Grand-Banks-dory

                                                a gaff rigged yawl,  HOGA (YT-146),  Int'l Dragon Class II

 

In the Gallary:   Catboat,   International-Dragon-Class,   Spray


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Yep, my coworker asked me why I wasn't overlapping my planks, and I asked why I would - he, having been a sailor most of his life until he moved to aerospace in his early 50's explained that it is authentic to the real ship's boats (in many cases) to have the planks overlap to create a seal. 

 

That looks pretty good there....nice and even.


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Bob,

 

That dory looks absolutely great.  I hope mine look half as good as that.

 

On my model, Arethusa employed 10 to 12 dories.

 

Regards,

 

Elia


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michael mott

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Very nice Bob, I must have a go at the lapstrake method.

 

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Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8

 

                                Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8

 

                               Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

 

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500

 

                         Maria, Sloop 1:2

 

Restoration      A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100

 

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Thanks Michael,

 

Lapstrake is a lot easier then I thought it would be. 

 

Bob


Every build is a learning experience.

 

Current build:  Two Edwardian launches

 

Completed builds:  US Coast Guard Pequot   Friendship-sloop,  Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard,   Spray,   Grand-Banks-dory

                                                a gaff rigged yawl,  HOGA (YT-146),  Int'l Dragon Class II

 

In the Gallary:   Catboat,   International-Dragon-Class,   Spray


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Lookin' good Bob !   Nice job !


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Bob:

This is a beautiful model. The paint work so far looks very clean. Very good job.

 

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Gerty,  Russ,

 

Thanks for stoppong by and your kind words.

 

Bob


Every build is a learning experience.

 

Current build:  Two Edwardian launches

 

Completed builds:  US Coast Guard Pequot   Friendship-sloop,  Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard,   Spray,   Grand-Banks-dory

                                                a gaff rigged yawl,  HOGA (YT-146),  Int'l Dragon Class II

 

In the Gallary:   Catboat,   International-Dragon-Class,   Spray


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hey there Bob.......glad to see you have another build in the works :)   I like the way you beveled those planks......If I had seen this earlier,  I could have done a better job with the AmericA  {I tried something similar}  I'll look forward in following your build......nice looking so far!...;)


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Thanks Michael,

 

Lapstrake is a lot easier then I thought it would be. 

 

Bob

Bob, lapstrake is not only easier but much more authentic. I love what you are doing.

 

It reminds me of the little sailboat I had in the SF Bay. It was a 'junior folkboat' (built in Denmark) and had mahogany lapstake planking on the hull. The 'problem' was that the outside was varnished and we had to haul her out twice a year to redo the hull and topsides. Lot's of sanding, but boy did it get some attention!!!

 

Are you familiar with the dories used by Powell when he went down the Colorado River? They look about the same????? 


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Jay,

 

Thanks for looking in.  Sailing the SF bay must have been fun.

I know that some of todays Grand Canyon boats are dories but I thought Powell's boats were round bottom instead of the hard chine.

 

Bob


Every build is a learning experience.

 

Current build:  Two Edwardian launches

 

Completed builds:  US Coast Guard Pequot   Friendship-sloop,  Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard,   Spray,   Grand-Banks-dory

                                                a gaff rigged yawl,  HOGA (YT-146),  Int'l Dragon Class II

 

In the Gallary:   Catboat,   International-Dragon-Class,   Spray





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