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Triton 1/48 by The Learner

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Guy,what amazing work.I never tought about a mill but it looks like you did in a couple hours what took me a couple of weeks.Nice work. I guess I should put a mill on my "I wish I had the money list".It is a very long list

Best Regards;  Larry :P  :(

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Guy

I love what you did you did to make a thickness planner. LOVE IT!!

OMG.

Going to copy that one..THANKS.

Your wood working looks like it's going great also.

 

Later 42rocker

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Guy

I love what you did you did to make a thickness planner. LOVE IT!!

OMG.

Going to copy that one..THANKS.

Your wood working looks like it's going great also.

 

Later 42rocker

 

 

Thanks

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Wonderful progress, Guy. Yourd deadwood looks very good.

 

Thanks, I really enjoyed using the mill. I seem to be getting in to the swing of it but still lots to learn

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Stumped! does any one from the previous build have pictures of the fore deadwood and the stem piece on how this is formed? I need to know if the thickness of the deadwood continues up the entire stem? The drawing tends to infer that but what few pictures posted on the current build does not display this.

 

Yellow highlighted area!

 

Photo removed because it is a copyright plan

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I would think it is the same thickness for this model. In real life, perhaps not, but for the purposes of this simplified construction, yes.

 

Russ

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still confused! I would not want to make it the same thickness up the entire stem,,,what purpose would it serve? but where do I stop? Help Help

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Guy:

That entire area is structural so I am guessing it would need to be thick like the stem. Past that, I am not sure what confuses you. If you make the entire piece the same thickness then I am not sure why you are asking where to stop. Can you be more specific about what is confusing you?

 

Russ

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Hi Guy,

 

Here's my take on the thicknesses of your component parts (Russ, kindly correct me for any mistakes in my interpretation).

 

As seen in the pic below, you basically just repeat the same thicknesses you did with the stern. Deadwood and adjacent components (D) would follow the same thicknesses as your stern and ends up as a deeper notch at the Rabet ( R ). Rising wood (Ri) is slightly thicker than deadwood and tapers down as you approach the Rabbet ( R ). Like in the stern, the rabbet at the stem is basically the same thickness throughout:

 

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Aldo:

If that works, then so be it. The original intent of this project was to have a simplified form of construction. What worked at the stern should, in theory, work at the stem. However, the more we try to overthink this, the more confusing it might get. I do not know how much more simple we could try to make this though.

 

Until I know what is confusing him, I really do not know what to suggest.

 

As for comparing this to the Swan class project, it is really apples and oranges. To do that kind of framing is really getting away from what the Triton project was supposed to be all about. We never intended to go into that sort of detail. However, if folks want to do that, I reckon they can try it, but it will be difficult using the Triton plans as they are drawn.

 

Russ

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Thanks for the clarification, Russ, my apologies for using a Swan Class vessel as an example, I have removed the pics to avoid any further confusion.

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Hi guys! Thanks for the input, not trying to make this difficult but if you look at the drawing it appears that the thickness of the deadwood continues up the stem. I am going to taper it off about the same spot that it would be tapered off on the stern then deal with any additional removal of wood when I attach the frames and the hawse pieces. At some point, I would like to do some profile drawings to show these proportions more clearly. Sorry this is my first upright build so there are still a lot of things that I do not understand in the drawings. In the mean time, I made my first full frame at the stern to start that off.

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Guy, the lower and upper apron have the same size as the lower and upper stem.

But don't be worried about this detail, after installing the hawse pieces, you will not see very much of it.

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Guy!

 

Have a look to the Wang´s log page no. 3 & 4, he made a good job with the stem deadwood. I am in the same proccess.

 

 

Cheers!

 

 

Daniel.

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Daniel . AnobiumPunctatum , Much clearer now ...Thanks

 

 

I have been working on the stern framing cutting the pieces progress is slow

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That is allowed, You are not allowed to post up the actual plans they are restricted access for a reason.

 

Joss

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The build progresses!

 

The stern deadwood,

 

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Cutting the flat sections of the stem sections,

 

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Using the mill on the flat sections allow for a good tight fit because all surfaces are flat!

 

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Gluing up of the stem...do I have enough clamps?

 

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More to come

 

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Guy   That is looking really nice...joint a nice and clean on the stem and stern.....Great Job

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I never seem to have enough on the job or in the hobby! but normally I just grab what I have on hand, you know! makd due!!

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I have started building frames and I am working from stern to stem. I will make up all the frames before I attach to the keel and at the rate I am going its going to take a couple three  weeks.

 

 

This is the adhesive I use for applying the frame pattern pieces to the wood. I find this works better than rubber cement  as it tends to stay better when cutting out the piece, but yep the pattern does not come up quite as easy. for the most part I just dampen the paper pattern with mineral spirits and it will lift off fairly easy but still have to clean off the adhesive residue.

 

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Placing the patterns on the frame blank board and a few frames in stock

 

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As I said before i will make all the frames before I prepare them for attaching on the keel. I have yet figured out how I will cut the angle on the heel of the cant frames to attach them to the deadwood. I will try and involve using the mill ..... we'll see! I will likely have to cut up a few new frames to replace the ones I  screw up! I hope it is not too many!

 

To be continued!

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Hi all, there seems to be a frame overlap here on frames 24, 25 and 26 in the stern framing? am I looking at it wrong or are the frames trimed to fit here?

 

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as you can see there is not a good fit here...this if from anouthers post for refrence only

 

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and One more stupid sounding question!

 

When attaching the frames to the keel should I be adding filling pieces for the floor?????

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Does any one save the scraps from the cutting out of the frames?

 

scrap pile from 3 or 4 frame pieces

 

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Pile of 5 frames waiting to be trimed

 

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I chuck my pieces unless they are unusally large that I think I can use

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Guy,

 

The scrap box has it's uses...   Sometimes you just need a scrap chunk of wood to make something or for use as a support or prop.  For the most part, mine is destined to either be kindling for the fireplace (chunks with glue) or used in the BBQ for smoking dinner (cherry and pear -- without any glue).

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I hope I do not have to chuck any glued up frames into the scrap box because they are defective! so far most of the scrap pile is jusy remnants  from the frame cut outs left over scrap

 

We have gas fire places here so that won't work perhaps in the barbeque but it too is gas! perhaps I can make a miniture bonn fire on the beach.

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Hi all, there seems to be a frame overlap here on frames 24, 25 and 26 in the stern framing? am I looking at it wrong or are the frames trimed to fit here?

 

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as you can see there is not a good fit here...this if from anouthers post for refrence only

 

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and One more stupid sounding question!

 

When attaching the frames to the keel should I be adding filling pieces for the floor?????

 

Can any one give me some directions here?

 

My band saw blade broke (its old) and I am having it rewelded so have not resawed any wood for the frames. I will have the old one back tomorrow so perhaps I can cut some pieces out

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