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Billl

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Back in the day I used this method to tie rat lines. Does anyone have a different way and why?


Current Build:

San Francisco / Cross Section, Latina - Wood / 1:50

 

On The Shelf:

San Francisco II, Latina - Wood 1/90,     U.S.S. Constitution, Revell - Plastic  / 1:96 (Remake),     U.S.S. Constitution, Revell - Plastic / 1:196,     H.M.S. Bounty, Latina - Wood / 1:48,

H.M.S. /Mayflower, Latina - Wood / 1:64,     La Nina, Latina - Wood / 1:65,     La Pinta, Latina, Latina - Wood / 1:65,     La Santa Maria, Latina - Wood / 1:65,

Caribbean Pirate Ship, Revell - Plastic / 1:72,     Shrimp Boat, Model Expo - Plastic / 1:60

 

Completed:

Coastal Submarine, Revell - Plastic / 1:144,     Cutty Sark Wall Plaque, Revell - Plastic / 1:50,     H.M.S. Victory, Revell - Plastic / 1:146,     H.M.S. Bounty, Constructo - Wood / 1:50

Oseberg, Billings Boats - Wood / 1:25,     Clipper Ship (Sea Witch), Unknown - Wood / 1:46,     U.S.S. Constitution, Revell - Plastic / 1:96,     Man Of War, Scientific - Wood / 1:50

Robert E. Lee, Scientific - Wood / 1:45,     PT-109, Revell - Plastic / 1:72,     U.S.S. Enterprise, Revell - Plastic / 1:720,     R.M.S. Titanic, Revell - Plastic / 1:720,

Numerous other wooded tall ships and boats from companies named: Ideal, Dumas, Pyro,

 

En Mi Lista De Deseos: -- El Soberano De Los Mares (El Oro Diablo), Mantua - Wood / 1:78


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Brian the extraordinaire

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that would be difficult to replicate on a model.



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Billl

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I know, it's how I did it years ago when eyes were young and hands were steady. It is a very tedious way but I believe accurate.


Current Build:

San Francisco / Cross Section, Latina - Wood / 1:50

 

On The Shelf:

San Francisco II, Latina - Wood 1/90,     U.S.S. Constitution, Revell - Plastic  / 1:96 (Remake),     U.S.S. Constitution, Revell - Plastic / 1:196,     H.M.S. Bounty, Latina - Wood / 1:48,

H.M.S. /Mayflower, Latina - Wood / 1:64,     La Nina, Latina - Wood / 1:65,     La Pinta, Latina, Latina - Wood / 1:65,     La Santa Maria, Latina - Wood / 1:65,

Caribbean Pirate Ship, Revell - Plastic / 1:72,     Shrimp Boat, Model Expo - Plastic / 1:60

 

Completed:

Coastal Submarine, Revell - Plastic / 1:144,     Cutty Sark Wall Plaque, Revell - Plastic / 1:50,     H.M.S. Victory, Revell - Plastic / 1:146,     H.M.S. Bounty, Constructo - Wood / 1:50

Oseberg, Billings Boats - Wood / 1:25,     Clipper Ship (Sea Witch), Unknown - Wood / 1:46,     U.S.S. Constitution, Revell - Plastic / 1:96,     Man Of War, Scientific - Wood / 1:50

Robert E. Lee, Scientific - Wood / 1:45,     PT-109, Revell - Plastic / 1:72,     U.S.S. Enterprise, Revell - Plastic / 1:720,     R.M.S. Titanic, Revell - Plastic / 1:720,

Numerous other wooded tall ships and boats from companies named: Ideal, Dumas, Pyro,

 

En Mi Lista De Deseos: -- El Soberano De Los Mares (El Oro Diablo), Mantua - Wood / 1:78


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Bill,

 

It is undoubtedly accurate, but in the scale at which we are generally working and the time involved, is it necessary?

 

A friend showed me a semi-quick way to make them.  He used a thin, blackened copper wire cut perhaps 1/2" longer than the ratline width at the point you are working; crimp one end around one outside stay, do a 360 degree wrap around the middle stay & crimp lightly, make a 180 degree wrap around the other outside stay, cut off the excess wire and crimp---Done! With a bit of care and practice the ratline will be straight and level; if you want some sag, put it in before the middle and last wrap. They will never come untied  :) .

 

At our small scales, you won't be able to see that it isn't tied, at least not from a normal viewing distance.

 

Jim


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blacken copper wire seems like a good idea, thanks.


Current Build:

San Francisco / Cross Section, Latina - Wood / 1:50

 

On The Shelf:

San Francisco II, Latina - Wood 1/90,     U.S.S. Constitution, Revell - Plastic  / 1:96 (Remake),     U.S.S. Constitution, Revell - Plastic / 1:196,     H.M.S. Bounty, Latina - Wood / 1:48,

H.M.S. /Mayflower, Latina - Wood / 1:64,     La Nina, Latina - Wood / 1:65,     La Pinta, Latina, Latina - Wood / 1:65,     La Santa Maria, Latina - Wood / 1:65,

Caribbean Pirate Ship, Revell - Plastic / 1:72,     Shrimp Boat, Model Expo - Plastic / 1:60

 

Completed:

Coastal Submarine, Revell - Plastic / 1:144,     Cutty Sark Wall Plaque, Revell - Plastic / 1:50,     H.M.S. Victory, Revell - Plastic / 1:146,     H.M.S. Bounty, Constructo - Wood / 1:50

Oseberg, Billings Boats - Wood / 1:25,     Clipper Ship (Sea Witch), Unknown - Wood / 1:46,     U.S.S. Constitution, Revell - Plastic / 1:96,     Man Of War, Scientific - Wood / 1:50

Robert E. Lee, Scientific - Wood / 1:45,     PT-109, Revell - Plastic / 1:72,     U.S.S. Enterprise, Revell - Plastic / 1:720,     R.M.S. Titanic, Revell - Plastic / 1:720,

Numerous other wooded tall ships and boats from companies named: Ideal, Dumas, Pyro,

 

En Mi Lista De Deseos: -- El Soberano De Los Mares (El Oro Diablo), Mantua - Wood / 1:78


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Bill,

 

On smaller scales, another way to tie the reatlines so that they look correct, is to stitch the ratline through the outside shroud and then back through itself.  That gives a very good scale appearance.

 

John


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However one chooses to tie the ratlines, I think, would be determined by the scale of the current project....but one should also be aware that the shrouds should be as taught as possible. Otherwise, any effort to complete the ratlines would be that much more difficult and almost impossible if they are too loose....don't ask how I know ;) ..........

 

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 friend showed me a semi-quick way to make them.  He used a thin, blackened copper wire cut perhaps 1/2" longer than the ratline width at the point you are working; crimp one end around one outside stay, do a 360 degree wrap around the middle stay & crimp lightly, make a 180 degree wrap around the other outside stay, cut off the excess wire and crimp---Done! With a bit of care and practice the ratline will be straight and level; if you want some sag, put it in before the middle and last wrap. They will never come untied  :) .

 

At our small scales, you won't be able to see that it isn't tied, at least not from a normal viewing distance.

 

Jim

I used this same idea for making the 'snake' between the main and preventer stays on my Conny.

The vertical lines you see are on the paper as a guide for even spacing.

shroud 5b.jpg  shrouds 5e.jpg


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I just use simple clove hitches but you need to be careful cutting the tails off - too short and the knots undo.


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Billl

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Clove hitches are nice and you are right about cutting too close. Did it once before, not on rat lines, Made me want to cry.


Current Build:

San Francisco / Cross Section, Latina - Wood / 1:50

 

On The Shelf:

San Francisco II, Latina - Wood 1/90,     U.S.S. Constitution, Revell - Plastic  / 1:96 (Remake),     U.S.S. Constitution, Revell - Plastic / 1:196,     H.M.S. Bounty, Latina - Wood / 1:48,

H.M.S. /Mayflower, Latina - Wood / 1:64,     La Nina, Latina - Wood / 1:65,     La Pinta, Latina, Latina - Wood / 1:65,     La Santa Maria, Latina - Wood / 1:65,

Caribbean Pirate Ship, Revell - Plastic / 1:72,     Shrimp Boat, Model Expo - Plastic / 1:60

 

Completed:

Coastal Submarine, Revell - Plastic / 1:144,     Cutty Sark Wall Plaque, Revell - Plastic / 1:50,     H.M.S. Victory, Revell - Plastic / 1:146,     H.M.S. Bounty, Constructo - Wood / 1:50

Oseberg, Billings Boats - Wood / 1:25,     Clipper Ship (Sea Witch), Unknown - Wood / 1:46,     U.S.S. Constitution, Revell - Plastic / 1:96,     Man Of War, Scientific - Wood / 1:50

Robert E. Lee, Scientific - Wood / 1:45,     PT-109, Revell - Plastic / 1:72,     U.S.S. Enterprise, Revell - Plastic / 1:720,     R.M.S. Titanic, Revell - Plastic / 1:720,

Numerous other wooded tall ships and boats from companies named: Ideal, Dumas, Pyro,

 

En Mi Lista De Deseos: -- El Soberano De Los Mares (El Oro Diablo), Mantua - Wood / 1:78


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Clove hitches on the inside shrouds and cow hitches (or turned-in clove hitches as Danny suggested) on the outside ones  - I think this is the closest to the original and still doable at our scales. And the free end of the cow hitch should be cut off of course - most securely with a nail clipper - as close as possible but not too close to prevent un-doing. Double amount of care needs to be taken here to make sure that we don't cut the ratline itself on the inside.

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I recon it depends on where one is raised, I know it as a larks head knot.


Current Build:

San Francisco / Cross Section, Latina - Wood / 1:50

 

On The Shelf:

San Francisco II, Latina - Wood 1/90,     U.S.S. Constitution, Revell - Plastic  / 1:96 (Remake),     U.S.S. Constitution, Revell - Plastic / 1:196,     H.M.S. Bounty, Latina - Wood / 1:48,

H.M.S. /Mayflower, Latina - Wood / 1:64,     La Nina, Latina - Wood / 1:65,     La Pinta, Latina, Latina - Wood / 1:65,     La Santa Maria, Latina - Wood / 1:65,

Caribbean Pirate Ship, Revell - Plastic / 1:72,     Shrimp Boat, Model Expo - Plastic / 1:60

 

Completed:

Coastal Submarine, Revell - Plastic / 1:144,     Cutty Sark Wall Plaque, Revell - Plastic / 1:50,     H.M.S. Victory, Revell - Plastic / 1:146,     H.M.S. Bounty, Constructo - Wood / 1:50

Oseberg, Billings Boats - Wood / 1:25,     Clipper Ship (Sea Witch), Unknown - Wood / 1:46,     U.S.S. Constitution, Revell - Plastic / 1:96,     Man Of War, Scientific - Wood / 1:50

Robert E. Lee, Scientific - Wood / 1:45,     PT-109, Revell - Plastic / 1:72,     U.S.S. Enterprise, Revell - Plastic / 1:720,     R.M.S. Titanic, Revell - Plastic / 1:720,

Numerous other wooded tall ships and boats from companies named: Ideal, Dumas, Pyro,

 

En Mi Lista De Deseos: -- El Soberano De Los Mares (El Oro Diablo), Mantua - Wood / 1:78


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A friend showed me a semi-quick way to make them.  He used a thin, blackened copper wire cut perhaps 1/2" longer than the ratline width at the point you are working; crimp one end around one outside stay, do a 360 degree wrap around the middle stay & crimp lightly, make a 180 degree wrap around the other outside stay, cut off the excess wire and crimp---Done! With a bit of care and practice the ratline will be straight and level; if you want some sag, put it in before the middle and last wrap. They will never come untied  :) .

Jim

Jim, I tried your method quickly to see if it had any merits. I have some wire that is .009 inch diameter. That translates to about 0.7 inches on my scale. I made a template (which I need to do any way) and made a few attempts to use the thin wire. 

rat 1.jpg   rat 2.jpg

 

I finally gave up because I cannot see how I can crimp the ends uniformly as I go along.

I know I am not following your suggestion to the point, but I also cannot constantly rotate my model to get to the other side.

Thanks for this idea.


Edited by Modeler12, 04 April 2013 - 02:56 AM.

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