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18th Century Longboat by Chuck Seiler (san Diego)


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Chuck Seiler

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Hello all! I am back. I jusat found out yesterday that the site went down completely, so I have spent some time getting back onboard and navigating the site. I will go thru my notes and attempt to re-create my build log. Comments welcome.
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Chuck Seiler
San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
Nautical Research Guild

 
Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
Colonial Pinnace VIRGINIA (1607)(scratch)
18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
Completed:
Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch
1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)


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Trussben

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Hey Chuck,

Glad to see you are back and going to rebuild your log.
My longboat is not here but in the normal kit build logs if you want to see another one.
I will follow along on yours and Toni's.

Ben

 

EDIT 3-11-2013, Just found my log has been moved to this area now!


Edited by Trussben, 11 March 2013 - 03:01 PM.

Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM, USF Confederacy,

 

Completed builds:  ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.


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Chuck Seiler

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Ben, Thanks. I found it. Model looks great!!! I will have to spend more time looking at it and learning. I see yo umanaged to break off the stempiece as well. 'Tis a pesky little beastie.
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Chuck Seiler
San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
Nautical Research Guild

 
Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
Colonial Pinnace VIRGINIA (1607)(scratch)
18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
Completed:
Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch
1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)


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Chuck Seiler

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    I originally started my build log on 21 December 2012.  I know this because I started it with “Thankfully
the world did not end today, so I can proceed. I would hate to get halfway into it only to go “POOF””  Well, apparently
it took a little longer but ‘the world’ ended and we now get to put it back together.  Thank heaven for notes!!!!  If
anybody is taking a gander here before taking on this project I hope to provide
some helpful thoughts and observations. 

 

    This project involves the Model Shipways ‘18th Century Longboat”.   It’s a great project.  It appears to be simple and somewhat straight forward but the planking makes it a challenge.  This is a single layer planking with both interior and exterior exposed to view.  The planking is quite thin, leaving very little room for error.  This is an excellent model to hone your planking skills.  Plans are excellent.

 

    Once your ‘basic shell’ (more on that later) is set up I find that I can easily remove a plank/strake that does not work out and try again.  (I have done a bit of work on the model since I originally wrote this.  I DID have to remove a strake or two and try again.  It is very forgiving.)  Here goes!!


Edited by Chuck Seiler, 26 February 2013 - 04:37 AM.

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Chuck Seiler
San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
Nautical Research Guild

 
Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
Colonial Pinnace VIRGINIA (1607)(scratch)
18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
Completed:
Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch
1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)


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    Let me start off by saying this is an extremely flimsey and fragile structure until the top strakes are in place.  At that point it becomes just
kind-of flimsey.  It is important that care be taken to assemble the basic structure, to ensure it is ‘true’.  Precision is important here.

 

(Note:  One of the other builders had a different concept.  Blocks of wood were placed between the bulkheads to support the structure and the boat was planked completely from the garboard strake up to the gunwales.  That eliminated that awkward ‘last plank between the top down and the bottom up which looks like a snake that swallowed a duck, a pig and 2 chickens.  Hopfully that will be reposted.)

 

    My first step was to produce a “build board” in order to provide stability for future steps.  The groove  in the board and the stem support hold center-piece, keel and stem assembly perpendicular to the surface.  I would have liked to support the stern, but in this case I was unable.  (As it turns out, it is not really necessary except to keep the model from sliding out of the cradle as you turn corners at 60 MPH while transporting the model.)


Chuck Seiler
San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
Nautical Research Guild

 
Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
Colonial Pinnace VIRGINIA (1607)(scratch)
18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
Completed:
Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch
1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)


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Chuck Seiler

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Buildboard 1.JPG

 

Buildboard with stem support.

 

Buildboard 2.JPG

 

Lines were drawn perpendicular to the keel forward of each bulkhead slot in order to help true up the
bulkheads.  I am getting ahead of myself, however, and will discuss this later.


Buildboard 3.JPG

 

This photo shows how the model sits on the board. 
 


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Chuck Seiler
San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
Nautical Research Guild

 
Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
Colonial Pinnace VIRGINIA (1607)(scratch)
18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
Completed:
Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch
1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)


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    Before attaching the stempiece and keel, I cut the rabbet.  There are probably alot of ways to do this but if it involves hand measuring and marking, count me out.  Instead, I set the fence on my mini table saw so that I could cut the appropriate size notch on either side of the false keel.

 

rabbet.JPG

 

    Rabbet

 

POP goes the stem piece.JPG

 

   Be careful when handling the model at this point.  The top of the stem is very fragile and can break of easily.  I ended up breaking it off twice before I decided to hold off fixing it until later.  My intent is to run a few holes down the length of the stem and reinforce it with a bamboo treenail/dowel.  I will cover this later.  If yours pops off, just set it aside someplace where you won't lose it.

 

    The next thing I did was make a jig to allow me to square the bulkheads/frames along three different axes, axises, dimensions...whatever.

 

Level and Square.JPG

 

   A note on terminology.  During this part of the build, I will refer to the athwartship structural pieces as "bulkheads".  Once the centerpiece is removed, I will refer to them as "frames". 

 

    At this point, I put the centerpiece in the buildboard and started inserting the bulkheads.  As I said before, precision is important.  In addition to using the jig, I marked the top dead center of each bulkhead as another reference.  I then dry fitted eachbulkhead to see how the whole thing looked.  That's my story and I'm ticking to it....

 

Buildboard 4.JPG

Buildboard with assembly jig


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Chuck Seiler
San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
Nautical Research Guild

 
Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
Colonial Pinnace VIRGINIA (1607)(scratch)
18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
Completed:
Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch
1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)


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Chuck, I am the person who put the fillers in between the bulkheads.  It makes all the difference in terms of strengthening the frame.  I think a lot of builders (including myself) have snapped off that stempiece.  The basswood is very soft. I left mine off the model until all the hul planking was completed.


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Trussben

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Chuck and Toni - I also broke the stempiece and just left it off until planking was complete, its so fragile i dont know if it

can be helped, especially the way the wood grain runs.

 

ben


Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM, USF Confederacy,

 

Completed builds:  ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.


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Chuck Seiler

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The only other option I can see is to run a trunnel or two through the length of the stem piece.  I like to use bamboo because it can be real strong even in small diameters.  However, once broken off you might as well wait.


Chuck Seiler
San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
Nautical Research Guild

 
Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
Colonial Pinnace VIRGINIA (1607)(scratch)
18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
Completed:
Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch
1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)


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Chuck Seiler

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    I’m back.  I have been out of service due to an eye malady.  Interestingly, it is easier to drive with one eye than it is to build ship (or boat) models.

 

    Planking is complete but the results are not as good as I would like.  Despite rework, the few strakes above the garboard on either side gave me problems.  I used wood filler to make it look adequate.  Once painted, you should not be able to tell the difference.

 

filler.JPG

 

    Rather than just cover it up, I wanted to show what can be done when your work is less than great.   ...or I could have just made it an admiralty model.  :-)


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Chuck Seiler
San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
Nautical Research Guild

 
Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
Colonial Pinnace VIRGINIA (1607)(scratch)
18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
Completed:
Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch
1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)


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Chuck Seiler

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waterline device1.JPG

 

 Completed planking and a low tech waterline marker.

 

waterline device2.JPG

 

   Another view of the exterior planking and waterline marker.  The trunnels are easier to see in this pic.  I originally planned to use bamboo trunnels, but later decided just to fill the holes using wood filler (based on other peoples experiences).  Rather than the prescribed 2 trunnels per frame, I went with alternating 1-2-1-2 pattern.


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Chuck Seiler
San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
Nautical Research Guild

 
Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
Colonial Pinnace VIRGINIA (1607)(scratch)
18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
Completed:
Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch
1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)


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Trussben

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I like the low tech waterline marker.

Ben

Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM, USF Confederacy,

 

Completed builds:  ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.


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Looking good Chuck.  I wish I could make it to Mike's next week for the Community Build but it would be a long commute to and from Yokosuka.

 

                      Bob R.


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Chuck Seiler

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    Planking is done.  If I want to pull the planks off and fix the planking, now is the time.  Otherwise, it's time to remove the bulkhead centers.

 

bulkheads-b-gone 1.JPG

bulkheads-b-gone 2.JPG

 

    I decided to use a Dremel with cutoff wheel for this.  Caution is important to avoid any damage to exterior planking.

 

    As indicated by others, even though the model is very delicate at this point, it is surprisingly sturdy.  Extra care must be taken here.  As I sand down the insides of the frames, the structure becomes weaker.  Once you start adding things to the interior, it becomes stronger again.


Edited by Chuck Seiler, 11 April 2013 - 05:07 AM.

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Chuck Seiler
San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
Nautical Research Guild

 
Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
Colonial Pinnace VIRGINIA (1607)(scratch)
18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
Completed:
Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch
1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)


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Chuck Seiler

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    A view of the interior highlights the problems I had with the planking.  Interior does not sand down as smoothly as exterior.


Chuck Seiler
San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
Nautical Research Guild

 
Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
Colonial Pinnace VIRGINIA (1607)(scratch)
18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
Completed:
Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch
1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)


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Chuck -

 

Preliminary indications are that mine will have a similar situation.  I'm counting on the floorboards hiding some of it.  As a last resort, I may add some water casks and rope coils.

 

Bob



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Chuck Seiler

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My plan is to have a 5 foot x 5 foot x 5 foot display case.  ...although I do like the water cask idea.  It saves on space.


Chuck Seiler
San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
Nautical Research Guild

 
Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
Colonial Pinnace VIRGINIA (1607)(scratch)
18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
Completed:
Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch
1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)


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I totally forgot about the interior glue situation while I was planking.  Happily, I only put glue on the bulkheads and on the plank edges,not on the plank interior.  The excess ooze was removed with microchisels and isopropanol.  (One of the advantages of carpenter's glue over CA.)  But between the flooring, the fore and aft platforms and the cockpit seats, very little of the interior planking is exposed anyway.


Toni


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Member Nautical Research and Model Society

 

Current Build:  HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale

Completed Build: Longboat by tlevine - 1:48 scale
Gallery:  Hannah http://modelshipworl...bum/186-hannah/


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I just used a curved xacto blade to scrape and scrape and scrape the glue residue away, it took a while but it can be done.

Ben

Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM, USF Confederacy,

 

Completed builds:  ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.





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