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Oliver Cromwell by Mike Y - 1:48, 1777, POF (Hahn style)

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Mike Y

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Why scratch?
I always had a high requirements for a wood quality and fitting quality. Unfortunately, even expensive kits were never close to what I want. After getting a first pack of boxwood, I would never go back to any inferior wood (read - kit wood). And I am not ready to tolerate a bad quality in the kit. Hence, only scratch. Not that scary though, I do most of the parts from scratch anyway.
It's a pity that kit producers do not offer a wood upgrade. For a serious build, cost is spreading over a number of years, so is it really so important?
Speed of the build is not important, I enjoy the process. So I take Remco's motto - "Treat each part as if it is a model on its own, you will finish more models in a day than others do in a lifetime".

Why Hahn?
For a weird reason, don't like the realistic framing style, like David Antscherl suggests. First - you don't see anything between frames, and second - uneven spacing and shape of frames make me feel dizzy when I look on them. Physically. I know it sounds weird, but I just can't. So - frames would be spaced evenly, even if it's unrealistic. So what, I'm not adding a rocket engines to my model ;)
Also, Hahn's method for a frame construction looks easier. Yes, the wood usage is higher, but again - why that matters? I will build it for 5 years at least, so paying a bit extra for additional wood is not a problem. And I truly like the design of Hahn's jig!

Why Oliver Cromwell?
This ship has no honorable history. It was built in 1777 in Philadelphia, started a pretty good career - capturing 7 ships in 3 months after a start - but then was defeated by british HMS Beaver. Was downgraded from 24 cannons to 12, and served remaining time guarding british coast. Died in a hurricane after a number of years, slowly degrading and having a continuous problems with discipline onboard.
But there is something in the lines of that ship that touches me. Look on the model - hull proportions are pretty nice. It's not too high, and not too low, and I was looking for that photos a lot, admiring its beauty:

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Edited by Mike Y, 25 September 2016 - 09:15 AM.

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And here is what you get inside the timbering set from The Lumberyard.

Various planking and frame wood. Notice that wood color is pretty varying, so needs to be sorted.
Framing, keel, deck beams/knees would be in swiss pear, planking - boxwood, fittings - mixed. I also got beech, walnut and cherry for some parts, but not sure if I'll use them. Will see!
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Laser cut parts. Planning to make my own deck beams with a cute scarfs, instead of using these. But they are a good backup, if my scarfs will turn into failure:
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And plans, lots of them!
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Don't mind the small size of the photos, it's 11.5 kg of wood!
Let's unpack the blueprints and make some sawdust! :)

Edited by Mike Y, 25 September 2016 - 07:29 AM.

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Very nice! Will be following along for this. My Halifax was built Hahn style and it seemed to go well with no problems.
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Hi Mike,

I think you have made a good Choice to go for the Cromwell, will follow closely your progress!

I'am very curious of the Quality of the laser parts supplied in your kit.


Cheers,

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Udo, the laser cut parts look pretty good from a first glance. Let's see how they will fit together :)
I can send you some more detailed photos if you need.

Edited by Mike Y, 04 July 2014 - 08:26 PM.

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Looks like this will be an interesting build Mike. Think I'll pull up a chair in the front row for this one.
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Hi Mike, I shall also follow along with your build.

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Hi Mike. Great start on what looks like a beautiful ship. Can you pls clarify for me ( sorry if this sounds like a stupid question), but are you modifying a kit to build the Cromwell, or are you building entirely from scratch using plans from someone else's kit? Either way, 11.5 kgs of wood is serious stuff!!! I'll definitely be following along with interest.

All the best and kind regards.

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There is no kit for that ship (and there are not so many POF kits out there). This is a timbering set - plans, required amount of wood milled to a proper thickness, and some laser cut parts (Hahn jig, keel, some small parts). There are also no instructions, only plans. I have Hahn's book, but most "instructions" are build logs on that forum. See http://www.dlumberya...m/shipkits.html
Scroll/band saw is a must for that build, lots of frames to cut from that wood!

You can also look on Licorne build as a good example of Hahn's method. Or Triton build (there is a sub-forum for it). Or just any other POF scratch build.

It is not a 100% scratch because you skip the step of preparing 3d model of a hull based on old plans, and you already have a proper amount of wood in a sizes that you need. But that deviation is acceptable on that forum :)
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Hi Mike. Now I understand! Thanks. I've been building models most of my life and this is the first time I've heard of a timbering kit. But then again, I often say that I'm a bit thick, but happy to learn new tricks!

I still reckon that what you've set out to do is one hell of a challenge and a great deal of fun. Looking forward to following your log.

Thanks and all the best!
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Hello, Mike

What a surprise!  I'll be following your build with interest.  I agree with you regarding the "Kit Wood" in most kits.  I have also been less than impressed with most instruction "manuals".  Now that Chuck Passaro has several ships available via Model Expo however, that complaint has been resolved for me.  The inferior kit supplied wood for planking I plan to upgrade.  I guess I'm just curious why you didn't choose a similar approach?  

You mentioned you liked the design of their "framing jig".  I can't seem to find a photo of it on their website.

Are you planning to rig the ship?

Anyway, I wish you success.  She's a ship with beautiful lines and I'll enjoy following your progress!


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Dave, I wanted to build a fully framed model, and there are quite a few kits offering this. Basically, POF kits in a good wood - none. Only sets of timber + plans, like Admirality models / HobbyMill or Lumberyard. And I like the challenge of blueprint interpretation :)

Hahn jig is documented in some logs here (like Licorne by mtaylor), or here: http://modelshipworl...hnMethodnew.pdf
You build the hull upside down, and jig helps to align frames properly and space them evenly.

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Speaking of a fully framed models - a friend of mine visited an interesting project today - 1:1 reconstruction of Poltava, 1712 ship, partially designed by Russian tsar, Peter I, who studied shipbuilding in Holland. See http://en.wikipedia...._Poltava_(1712)
The site is located in St.Petersburg, Russia.
Pretty interesting to see, looks very close to that build logs, and nearly-round shape of the hull make it look like Triton :)

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Mike, I love seeing these projects.  I cannot wait to visit the Hermione when she visits the States next year.


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Modelling is temporarily on pause - was busy buying and moving into a new apartment. Now busy renovating it :)
Used modelling tools to make a balcony, does it count?
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Next on a list - make a modelling table, so I can start my build! :)
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Finally finished most of the renovation works in the apartment, and here is my modelling corner! :)
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All the tools are in a large drawer, only most popular ones are stored in the table itself.
The band saw is hidden under the table, it would be rarely used.
The drawing is a Cromwell plan from NMM, but it is purely for decoration - Hahn plans are much more detailed.

Since my wife occupied another corner for her knitting stuff, it is a time to rename the "living room" into a "hobby room". But hey, isn't hobby a big part of our life? :)
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(Yep, I know that furniture is quite not in same style, will slowly fix that over time)


So now I can finally start cutting the frame blanks! Finally! Time to make a first bucket of sawdust :)

Edited by Mike Y, 04 September 2014 - 09:41 PM.

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Yippee....  room looks good.  Sawdust in your future.   If I were you, I'd run a shopvac for dust collection.  Voice of experience with power tools and wives...... :)  ;)


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Yes, I bought a compact vacuum cleaner to remove the sawdust quickly. Hope it will help :)


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Mike, what length is the hull from stem to stern without the bowsprit ?

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Nice set-up Mike.  At least with the Admiral having her own part of the room, you can't be accused of 'abandoning' her for your hobby! ;) 


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