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Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA by Chuck Seiler - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale (Enhanced)

Gunboat Philadelphia Model Shipways

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Chuck Seiler

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Greetings all....I'm back!!!

 

Model Shipways Kit (modified)

Scale: 1:24  1/2”=1’

Circa:  August-October 1776

 

    Happy Moon Day!!!  I am starting my build log on the 45th Anniversary of the Moon Landing....just because.  I don't actually plan on building until the first or second week in August, so I can do some summer stuff.  I will be doing some pre-build planning and I may add my thoughts here.

 

    I wanted to get started early so that my small but dedicated band of followers can find a seat.

 

    Background.  This will be the SECOND time I built PHILDELPHIA.  The first time I did so as a scratch build based on the Model Shipways plans.  I will refrain from going into why I chose PHILADELPHIA and save some bandwidth by giving you the link to my scratch build (if I can figure out how to do it). Chux scratch Philly.

 

    It was a fun build, but I had some challenges.  I have found that there was an additional sheet that comes with the model that does NOT come when you buy the plans separately.  This includes all the templates for bulkheads and other pieces parts.  Thanks alot Model Expo for not including that!!!  At any rate, it was an interesting build.  I entered it into the County Fair Design in Wood Exhibit (Scale model class) and actually got an offer to buy it.  By then, I was too attached to it to sell.  I offered to make a model from the kit, with boxwood and holly replacing the planking and primary exterior wood, as in the scratch.  I figured with the kit as a guide and my experience from the previous build, I could build it much faster and I could correct some problems...both with my build and what I perceived to be with the plans.  It also gives me an opportunity to work in a larger scale.  Some of those corners got really tight at 1/4" scale.

 

    History.  Again, so save bandwidth, I direct you to Philly History.  PHILADELPHIA and the history behind it is fascinating.  It (and its associated fleet, not to mention many of its adversaries) was built in a few weeks.  It 'lived' only a few months.  IIRC only PHILADELPHIA and ROYAL SAVAGE were the only two ships sunk during the battle, but within a week or two of the battle the entire American fleet was sunk, scuttled or captured-but it was considered a strategic American victory. 

 

phil_sail.jpg

 

    A century and a half or so later, it was discovered, raised and preserved.  It exists today, on display in the Smithsonian Institution.

 

gunboat3.jpg

 

NOW your interest is piqued, eh.  I think you REALLY want to go to Philly History and read more about it.  Other suggested readings include:

 

The Gunboat Philadelphia and the Defense of Lake Champlain in 1776. by Lundeberg, Philip K.  

The Gondola Philadelphia and the Battle of Lake Champlain. by Bratten, John R.

Benedict Arnold's Navy, by Nelson, James L.


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Chuck Seiler
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Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
Colonial Pinnace VIRGINIA (1607)(scratch)
18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
Completed:
Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch
1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)


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mtaylor

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Ah... first one here so I can pick my seat... er... chair.


Mark

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Pete Jaquith

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Chuck,

I will be watching from my post in North Vancouver, BC Canada. Good luck!

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Good luck with the build Chuck. I'll be following closely, as she's on my "to build" list. Someday...


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Do I smell "Community Build" project?

 

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Chuck Seiler

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Greetings all.  Thanks for stopping by.

 

Pete, when are you getting back here to San Diego?

 

Bob,  Community build?  It's a bit pricey, but sure, why not.  I'll get a head start on this one, eh?


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Chuck Seiler
San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
Nautical Research Guild

 
Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
Colonial Pinnace VIRGINIA (1607)(scratch)
18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
Completed:
Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch
1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)


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Steve.Y

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I am building the same kit. I will watch Chuck closely and get some great knowledge! I am still in the study phase, identifying parts, sanding the laser marks etc.. Loved your scratch PHILLY! 



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A second Philly.  I know you will do a bang up job Chuck.

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Hopefully it will be large enough that I can actually get m fingers into the tight spaces.  I guess tha tis what tweezers are for, eh?

 

Yeah, I had to give it a try and see what the fuss Kurt was making was all about.


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Chuck Seiler
San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
Nautical Research Guild

 
Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
Colonial Pinnace VIRGINIA (1607)(scratch)
18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
Completed:
Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch
1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)


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    Prelude to Build.  I ordered the model shortly after I made the decision to build it.  I didn't know how long it would take to get to me.  I managed to get the last one available and it was at my doorstep in a few days.  I suspect Kurt Van Dahm's articles in "Ships in Scale" magazine is making this a popular kit.  Check of Model Expo site shows they have some back in stock.  Hopefully we will some more Philly builds pop up.

 

    I plan to hold off on the build until mid August.  (I wrote this in mid July, so it seemed like a longer wait, but mid August is almost here now.) 

I have taken the opportunity to start browsing through the plans and checking out the pieces-parts.  I went through the instructions, noting the flow and references to specific part numbers, then I located the parts, at least the ones in the start of the build.  I kind of want to just start building based on my experience with the scratch build, but I realize that it MAY be to my best interest to actually follow the instructions.  I know....it's a guy thing.

 

    I have mixed emotions on the instructions.  Some parts are very detailed and some parts are sketchy.  The instructions spend a couple paragraphs discussing lining off the hull for planking, use of battens, etc, then says 'but you won't need to do that since the bulkheads are already marked.  No worries...the beginner now understands better what these markings are and how you get them in future models.  THEN as it is discussing the planking process, it explains how to plank down to the wale, shift to the interior ceiling planking without a by-your-leave, then shifts back to planking the exterior.  Huh?  What?  Section headings would have been nice.  In general, it is good.

 

    This is a big beast!!!  At least from what I am used to.  I look forward to the build.  I have checked out Buccaneer Kurt's article Ships in Scale.  I understand he is contractually limited from doing a build log on Philly, but I hope he will chime in from time to time here.  Hey Kurt, your picture of the Philly next to Washington is backwards in the most recent article. 

 

    I'll see ya in a bit.


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Chuck Seiler
San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
Nautical Research Guild

 
Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
Colonial Pinnace VIRGINIA (1607)(scratch)
18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
Completed:
Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch
1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)


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Mark,

    I noticed that I failed to leave spaces between the dash after my name.  Can you fix that?


Chuck Seiler
San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
Nautical Research Guild

 
Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
Colonial Pinnace VIRGINIA (1607)(scratch)
18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
Completed:
Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch
1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)


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Chuck,

 

I don't see where you've missed the spaces.   Hit the "edit" button at the bottom of the post and see if it lets you fix it.

 

BTW, When you start this, put it in the kit section. :)


Mark

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Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0

Past Builds:
Triton Cross-Section
USS Constellaton (kit bashed to 1854 Sloop of War (Gallery) Build Log
Wasa (Gallery)


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Looking forward to seeing your build progress!

 

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Hi Tim. Welcome aboard.

 

Mark, I meant to say spaces before and after the dash in my Build Log Title.  The edit button lets you edit the individual post, but I don't know of a way to edit the header/title.  I was re-reading Dan Vadas' notes on the naming convention and it appears I left out the spaces.

 

It is in the kit section.   ....already started....post #14.


Edited by Chuck Seiler, 03 August 2014 - 02:36 AM.

Chuck Seiler
San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
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Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
Colonial Pinnace VIRGINIA (1607)(scratch)
18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
Completed:
Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch
1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)


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Ah... got it.  I forgot what section I was in... a senior moment.   Title fixed.  When you're ready... rock and roll sir.


Mark

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Current Build:

Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0

Past Builds:
Triton Cross-Section
USS Constellaton (kit bashed to 1854 Sloop of War (Gallery) Build Log
Wasa (Gallery)


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Chuck Seiler

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Thankee Mark.  The guitars are tuning up.


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Chuck Seiler
San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
Nautical Research Guild

 
Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
Colonial Pinnace VIRGINIA (1607)(scratch)
18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
Completed:
Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch
1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)


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If it's OK, I'm gonna "lurk" so I can see how it's supposed to be done.


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OK Chuck.... Let's get this show on the road!
Thought I was the only one crazy enough to build the same ship twice back-to-back.
I did build a 1:24th scale monster once, as a memorial project for my old high school coach. Talk about a monster! My favorite project of all time.
Looking forward to your progress updates.

Dave

Edited by SawdustDave, 11 August 2014 - 09:36 PM.

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Dave,

    I think you will find ALOT of crazy people in this forum.  First construction should be posted this week.  Promise!.


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Chuck Seiler
San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
Nautical Research Guild

 
Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
Colonial Pinnace VIRGINIA (1607)(scratch)
18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
Completed:
Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch
1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)


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A fleet comes together!!!


Chuck Seiler
San Diego Ship Modelers Guild
Nautical Research Guild

 
Current Build:
Continental Sloop PROVIDENCE
Continental Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (1/2" Scale Model Shipways Kit)
Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans)


On Hold:
Colonial Pinnace VIRGINIA (1607)(scratch)
18th Century Longboat (Model Expo Kit)
 
Completed:
Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch
1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans)





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