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Hi there;

 

This is my first scratch built.  I’ve thought long and hard about it and the last kit (HMS Bounty – Constructo) I built, I changed numerous items as they were not accurate to that year it was built. So if I can do that, I can build a boat where I am in complete control.

 

I decided on the Statenjacht “Utrecht”, because I love the lines from (plat bodems) flat bottom boats. I bought the book on the Utrecht from Seawatch books a while back because I am interested on how they built the replica. In the late 80’s I had a friend who worked as a volunteer carpenter on the Batavia replica in Lelystad, The Netherlands and I was with the amount of wood that went into building that boat.

 

This year I purchased another book on the Utrecht authored by Gilbert McArdle, also from Seawatch books. This gave me insights on how to build the boat. I will not build it the way he did it.  I will not do a “no deck boat” where you can see the interior. My plan is add a deck with cannons and all the deck items, sails and all the rigging.

 

I am getting ahead of myself as I still have to finish "The Royal Yacht Mary".

 

I started by copying all the frames and taping them with clear packing tape on the basswood.  The reason of the packing tape is that this tape will lubricate the saw blade at all times and the use of basswood is that this wood is cheap and once the deck is on you will never see it.

 

 

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Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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All frames and templates copied and cut out ready to be taped to wood.

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Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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This boat will be built from ready pre-cut wood as I do not have the equipment to create a plank from a large piece of wood.

I have some very knowledgeable people in my Nautical club and they have given me numerous suggestion what wood I can use for what part of the boat.

 

I am finishing up taping the frames to the wood.

 

So I do have a question:

If you build a POF, why cut the frames up into futtocks (sp) and then plank both the outside and the inside of the boat and add a deck?  Is it a sawing exercise?

 

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Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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You are off to a good start on the Utrecht. On a lot of POF models sections of the internal and external planking are left off to show the internal framing.

 

This will be an interesting build to follow.

 

Mike

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So I do have a question:

If you build a POF, why cut the frames up into futtocks (sp) and then plank both the outside and the inside of the boat and add a deck?  Is it a sawing exercise?

 

We actually cut out the futtocks and glue them together to make the frames.   There are two reasons:  1) It does save on wood.  2) It makes the frames stronger.

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

Current Build:                                                                                             
Past Builds:
 La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD           Triton Cross-Section   

 NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit                                                                            HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64               

 

Non-Ship Model:                                                                                         On hold, maybe forever:           

CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

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We actually cut out the futtocks and glue them together to make the frames.   There are two reasons:  1) It does save on wood.  2) It makes the frames stronger.

How does it save on wood?  On the Utrecht it is a frame cut in pieces and then glued together.  I understand if it is stronger 'if' the frame is of 2 layers, so several futtocks like the cross section of the Syren (as seen on your build).

I am planning to saw the frames as McArdle suggests.  So not exact on the line.  So rough cut.  Then when all the frames a glued together I will sand it all in shape.  Nothing is exact, just look at pictures when they build an actual replica.

Marc

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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This is going to be very interesting.

 

It is also stronger as the wood grain is running in the right direction. Utrecht has frames that are almost square,

so sawing them in one piece will seriously lower their strenght, as at least one parft of the frame is cross-grained. 

 

Are you also adding the frame pieces that are in the 'real ship' to attacht the futtocks to the floor-parts of the frame?

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More pics of the build on http://veilinghaven.statenjacht.nl/het_schip/foto.htm (don't change the language to english, or you will loose all the interesting pictures :) )

 

And just to show you my pics of the actual replica:

https://picasaweb.google.com/101597346346552139735/UtrechtsStatenjacht?authuser=0&feat=directlink

 

Jan

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Marc,

 

I suppose one could make the frames out of one plank, though plywood would be stronger and would work if the inside and outside are fully planked.   I'm considering doing that way on my next build as my builds have and probably will be fully planked. 

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

Current Build:                                                                                             
Past Builds:
 La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD           Triton Cross-Section   

 NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit                                                                            HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64               

 

Non-Ship Model:                                                                                         On hold, maybe forever:           

CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

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If you were to make the frames out of one sheet. the frame will break along the grain. And you will be wasting a lot of wood.   By building with futtocks you will maximize usage and insure the grain is all in one direction.  Making the fraames much stronger and less prone to breakage.

David B

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Welcome aboard Marc!

 

I hope you understand me. Are just thougths. If you are going to make a POF model you are going to have to make lots of futtocks and put´em together. If you are going to plank both, the interior and exterior you could make the frames using plywood (laminated) as Mark is suggesting. By gluing some chocks of pine wood at the ends and between of the frames the strength you achieve is enormous.

 

If you are going to go for the POF option, what I recomend you, cut the patterns and take your time to glue them in "order" on the wood sheet you are using. You´ll save lots of wood.

 

 

Best wishes!

 

 

Daniel.

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To amateur, mtaylor, dgbot, and harvey1847, thank you.

Thank you for the information.  I am cutting the frames into pieces and yes, I am adding the chocks in between the frames. 

 

Marc

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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More pics of the build on http://veilinghaven.statenjacht.nl/het_schip/foto.htm (don't change the language to english, or you will loose all the interesting pictures :) )

 

And just to show you my pics of the actual replica:

https://picasaweb.google.com/101597346346552139735/UtrechtsStatenjacht?authuser=0&feat=directlink

 

Jan

 

I don't have to change to English as I am fluent in Dutch.

 

Your pics from the replica........ did you work on this boat?

 

Marc

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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No I used to work in Utrecht, and from work to home I just passed this ship every day (at least, in the winter months).

ANd last year a member on MSW was working on a paper version of the ship, and asked for a couple of pics, mainly of the details of the ship (especially because the scrollwork as build differs from the scrollwork as drawn in the plans)

So I took my canmera to my work, and made a couple pf shots. And as there was someone on deck, I asked for a small tour around the ship.

Jan

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In the 70's I attended the Rijks Middlebare Tuinbouw School in Utrecht. Not that this has anything to do with the boat.

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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But it explains your fluency in Dutch :)

(btw School long gone)

 

Jan

Wonder if they merged with others.  I wanted to go to Boskoop but the wait time to get in was more than 2 years.  Only the best of the best go there. That is why all the well known commercial plants are bred there.  Sorry, for going off topic.

Marc

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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Hi flying dutchman,

 

Nice to see you like the old Dutch ships al lot..!
Woow, you are building the Utrechts Statenjacht! The replica of this is has a berth in front of my house!..

If you need more information or specific pictures of parts, just let me know. Its a 2 minute walk to make the pictures.
In the summertime she is sailing around in our area with tourists and partys.

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Hi flying dutchman,

 

Nice to see you like the old Dutch ships al lot..!

Woow, you are building the Utrechts Statenjacht! The replica of this is has a berth in front of my house!..

If you need more information or specific pictures of parts, just let me know. Its a 2 minute walk to make the pictures.

In the summertime she is sailing around in our area with tourists and partys.

BWPETERS;

Always liked the Dutch ships, I am a Dutchman living in the US. I will let you know if I need more detailed pictures of the Utrecht besides what I can find on the Net. I like all round en flat bottom boats plus the many Staten, Prinsen en admiral jachten. The war jacht from Abel Tasman is impressive as well.

 

In due time I know I would like to have more pictures of her carvings. I need more different angels. Also het boegbeeld (figurehead), the lion. The facial expression is unique.

 

Marc

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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As of today I started cutting out the frame pieces and there is a lot of them. I have the scroll saw outside due to the nice weather. Once cut, I will start putting the hull together according to McArdle's book. Yes, it scares me a bit. If I compare it to a kit, than a kit is so much easier. You follow the plan and you have yourself a ship.

But with the help of my local club and the immense knowledge on this site, I feel confident I can do this. Most of all, I will have fun.

 

Pictures will follow.

Marc

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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This was a warm day where I cut out all the frames in the backyard. All frames are roughly cut out so there is room for sanding them to the size they have to be.

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Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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This is a clamp that I copied out of the McArdle book. The clamp has 2 - 1/4" threaded rods with nuts and the wood is old plywood. It will hold any size hull together. Depended on the length of the threaded rods.

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The cut out frames.

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The scrap wood that I will be using for the ‘in betweeners’ of the frames or I think they are called chocks. Pieces of wood that go in between the frames.

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Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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Table full of Tupperware with frames in them. The real boat will be a POF but there are also frames for a simple POB hull I will be building.

 

The table is a bit messy, with the Mary under plastic (she is waiting for her display case and the hull on the left is a R/C Soling 1 meter. This model I bought used from a member in my local club. The fish in front of the speaker is a small puzzle. I create simple nature puzzles for kids with the scroll saw.

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Chocks that are being glued to the frame.

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Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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All the frames and chokes in the long clamp. Nothing has been glued yet.

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These are the frames from the book from Ab Hoving. The original plans. This will be for my POB and it will be a only a hull.

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Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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Several boo-boos have been made. Some of the frames are 1/4" where they have to be 3/16" and vice versa. There are more 1/4" frames than 3/16" so the boat is about a 1/2" longer than the original plan. I thought of re-doing these frames but it is all wood, so one can manipulate this very easily.

 

I checked the plans from Hoving and Emke and it is not significant. The boat will just be a wee bit longer.

 

Marc

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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Before you decide to leave the frames as is, please check the plans and make sure that this does not impact some other part of the hull, such as gun ports, scuppers, etc.  Making new frames is much easier than getting everything else in line later.

Toni


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robin b. - Thank you for your interest. You will not be disappointed.

 

 

tlevine - Thank you for this important tip. I did not even think about this. I will take your advice and redo the incorrect frames.

Thanks,

 

Marc

Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman

 

Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better"

 

Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).

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