112 ft Ketch 'Symphony' by Omega1234 - SMALL 1/200 scale (17cms or 7 inches long) Finished

[Omega1234]

HI all

 

I haven't finished my current building of Ingomar (see other scratch build log), but I'm getting a bit itchy about starting my next build.  The next model in my miniature ship yard will be the 112 foot ketch Signe, which was designed by Bruce King.  However, I fear that it won't be an exact replica of the actual ship because I am unable to obtain any detailed lines drawings of her frames, etc.  All I've been able to find are a number of blurry low res profile drawings off the internet.  I've contacted the naval architect who drew the plans to see if he had the frames plan available, but he was unfortunately unable to assist for various reasons; all of which I totally understand.

 

Therefore, I'm left with a dilemma.  Do I design my own hull (which I am capable of doing), or do I use the hull plans of Ticonderoga, (which is eerily very similar in shape and profile), which are also available freely off the internet.  If I do use Ticonderoga's plans, I'll only need to slightly modify the sheer line and the rear underbody shape to make it resemble Signe's hull.

 

Can I please have your thoughts as to what you would think is the better way to go?  Alternatively, if you know where Signe's actual body plans can be obtained from, then I'd appreciate hearing from you!

 

Thoughts, anyone, please????

 

The first drawing is of Signe.  The second is Ticonderoga's.  

Edited September 26, 2015 by Omega1234

[jud]

Do I design my own hull (which I am capable of doing), or do I use the hull plans of Ticonderoga.

Do your own design, using the Ticonderoga plans and anything else you can find for guidance, that seems the direction your are leaning and in the end would be happier with. Don't need to reinvent the wheel but you can use your own judgement that way.

jud

[Omega1234]

Hi Jud

 

Thanks for your advice!  I think you're right.  There's no need to reinvent the wheel, so I might just use Ticonderoga's as the basis and modify accordingly.

 

It wouldn't be exactly the real Signe, but, at the end of the day, it's probably the best I can do.  Unless, someone else can help me magically obtain Signe's actual frames drawings, then, that, of course would be perfect!

 

All the best!

[SawdustDave]

My dear friend Omega....as much as I admire your pure intentions, I personally think you concern yourself too much with an issue that only you could possibly identify. Not being a purest by nature, it is difficult for me to relate to your dilemma based on what you said regarding your abilities to modify the plans of the Ticonderoga.

Besides that, I don't see that you have any other option.

What scale?

 

Dave

[Omega1234]

Hi Dave

 

Thanks for your thoughts.  I guess sometimes we can appear to take this hobby a bit too seriously and get caught up with trying to be too perfect.  After all, at the end of the day, it's really for own pleasure, as is the case with any hobby.  So, yep, I'll take your thoughts on board.  You and Jud are right; I really don't appear to have much choice.  It'll still turn out really nice.  

 

The scale will be 1/200 which will equate to about 17 cms or 7 inches approximately in length.  The interior will be fully detailed and viewable through a cutaway hull and deck; i.e. the same as Ingomar's hull.

 

Thanks once again!

Edited September 12, 2014 by Omega1234

[michael mott]

Omega, I concur with Jud and Dave, the lines of Ticonderoga look pretty close, given your ability to build the interior I believe that you would be able to create a great interior from the limited information shown in the first image, I would also consider giving her your own stamp by choosing a unique name.

 

Michael

[Omega1234]

Hi Michael.  Good point about the name.  As it won't be strictly the same ship, I guess the name is irrelevant; meaning that I'd be free to give it any name.  Furthermore, I can leave the underwater hull untouched, which would mean even less alterations to the plans.  I'd only need to adjust the sheer line, then.  Do you know how I can amend the title of the build log, then?

Edited September 12, 2014 by Omega1234

[michael mott]

Go to the first post of this  log and you can edit everything including the title.

 

Michael

Edited September 12, 2014 by michael mott

[Omega1234]

Hi Michael

 

Many thanks.  Okay, so here's the deal.  The boat is now renamed "Symphony" and she will be a hybrid of a design based upon Ticonderoga's hull with a modified sheer line and Signe's interior and above deck arrangements.  

 

Should be fun!

 

Thanks for your help.

[captainbob]

Sounds like a good plan, but it really doesn’t matter.  If it is anything like the Ingomar, it will be beautiful.

 

Bob

[Omega1234]

Hi Bob and everyone else for stopping and offering advice and encouragement!  I'm looking forward to starting Symphony's hull and frames soon. It'll be a bit of a juggling act, though, as to which model, Ingomar or Symphony gets the most attention from me, though.  

 

All the best!

[pete48]

Wow Omega, I just found this build log, Should be quite the boat, when you are finished with her . I will be following along

 

Best Regards,

Pete

[Omega1234]

Wow Omega, I just found this build log, Should be quite the boat, when you are finished with her . I will be following along

 

Best Regards,

Pete

 

Hi Pete

 

Many thanks!

 

All the best.

[captainbob]

Symphony, Ingomar, Symphony, Ingomar, decisions decisions.

 

Bob

[Chasseur]

I like Symphony. Looking forward to the build.

Jeff

[Perls]

Hi Omega,

 

I'm sure that however you work it out it will be spectacular. Now that I think about it, spectacular might be the wrong adjective when you're talking about an accurate representation of a boat that's seven inches long. Maybe it should be "min-tacular". Anyway I'm sure it will be awesome.

 

Best,

Steve

[Piet]

Hello Omega, I'm glad you made the decision to build a facsimile of the Ingomar but my goodness, doing a complete interior at 7 inches???  That's shear magic!  You must have binocular vision and very steady hands.  I'm already exited watching your progress, can't wait.

 

Cheers,

[Omega1234]

Hi Jeff, Perls and Piet

 

Many thanks for your encouragement.  I'm really looking forward to starting on the hull.  Should keep me out of mischief for a while.

 

All the best to all of you.

[IgorSky]

Hi Patrick,

Are Symphony and Signe two names of the one boat or these names of different boats?

 

Best Regards!

Igor.

[popeye the sailor]

I don't recall seeing this one Patrick........is this a build you started?    will you be getting back to this one when the Rainbow is finished? 

[Mirabell61]

Go ahead with "Symphony" Patrick,

 

beautiful name for this new mini project of yours, the boats lines promisses a symphony of hull shape......

 

Nils

[Omega1234]

Hi Igor, Dennis and Nils

 

Many thanks for your comments.

 

Igor- I know it sounds confusing, but I originally wanted to build an accurate model of Signe, but I wasn't able to obtain the hull's frames plans. As a consequence, it'll be a bashed combination of Ticonderoga's hull, with Signe's accommodation and sail plan. A bit of a hybrid, I guess. For that reason, I decided to rename the model to Symphony. I hope this makes sense!

 

Dennis - I had started this ship originally, but I put it to one side whilst I concentrated on Rainbow.

 

Nils - thanks for your encouragement. I reckon she'll turn into a really nice model, as well.

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

Edited April 28, 2015 by Omega1234

[IgorSky]

Hi Patrick,

Perhaps you've found these websites, but in any case I am sending these links:

http://blog.tadroberts.ca/2013/12/drawing-signe/

http://www.davideastyachting.com/details/signe2.htm?1430125561733

http://www.charterworld.com/index.html?sub=yacht-charter&charter=sysigne-6194

 

Best Regards!

Igor.

[Omega1234]

Yep, thanks Igor. I've been drooling over these sites (and others) for months now. I even contacted Tad Roberts who drew the original hull drawings to see if he could give me the frames drawings, but he declined for a variety of perfectly understandable reasons.

 

No worries, though. Symphony will look just as good, even though the hull won't be exactly the same.

 

Thanks once again and all the best.

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

Edited April 27, 2015 by Omega1234

[BenF89]

Hi Patrick,

 

Really looking forward to following another miniature adventure! You certainly have an eye for picking very attractive boats as your modeling subjects - and you've done them all justice so far. Excited to see this one as well. And, I actually much prefer the name 'Symphony' to any of the others. It has a musical ring to it

 

~Ben

[Omega1234]

Hi Ben

 

Thanks! I hope I'll do her justice!

 

All the best with your ship, too.

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

[michael20]

Your a sick man Patrick. Like I said on your last build I am looking forward to the build to come. I have got my chair and footstool waiting to see the game begin.

 

                All the Best,

                        Marty G.

[Omega1234]

Hi Marty

 

You may well be right! However...When I did the Mystic (66 foot Motor Cruiser) earlier at 3 inches in length, I thought I was really crazy. Truth be told, I quickly learnt that 3 inches is the very smallest that I can go (with a detailed interior) without the detail being microscopic. So, hopefully, at 7 inches, this will be a bit easier.

 

Anyhow, I hope you'll be able to join me on Symphony's journey!

 

All the best

 

Patrick

[popeye the sailor]

oh........so you had one of MY moments!   I have several builds in my roster,  that this has happened to        start to build her.....and then an idea creeps in,  that's too good to keep bottled up!  well.....your Rainbow has been realized..........I'll look forward in seeing you pick back up on this build.  I'm positive I'll see just as stunning a build,  as I've seen in the rainbow build.   it's a sure bet you learned something from the rainbow build,  that will enhance this build and make it even better 

[vaddoc]

I already made myself comfortable, looking forward for the show to start Patrick!