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  2. Hi Chuck, I was wondering when these might be available? I just purchased one of your rope serving machines, expecting it to arrive later (as just about everything else on the market has been delayed by a month). It arrived way ahead of schedule! So now I need to make some rope. 🙂
  3. Hi Kim, Thanks for this information, I have tried DMC Babylo and believe it will do the job, the world of thread Is a real minefield. Here in NZ, Babylo is offered in three sizes with many different colours, but speaking to the supplier I am told that DMC havent made the smaller size in a long time, plus many of the colours shown as available arn’t. Go figure🥴
  4. Kim, Linen is confusing. The old unit was Lea but I recently Nm and NeC have become more common Lea yds/lb / 300 Nm # 1000m/kg NeC # 840yd/lb The key is + the larger the value the thinner the yarn The smallest I have found is 65 Lea - it is yarn - plant fibers twisted into a line - it breaks easily during twist up. There is 100/3 Lea linen thread - it is 3 yarns of 100 Lea each twisted into a single thread - so it is sort of the diameter of 50 Lea single yarn -but already scale rope. 40/2 Lea linen is two 40 Lea yarns - so a no joy if the hope was that it could be unwound and yield 80 Lea - even if yarn that fine would withstand the process. One thought = natural linen yarn is close the scale color of hemp that is not treated with tar - half bleached and bleached would both want to be dye treated but all are easily converted to standing rigging with a dose of dark walnut dye. A diluted ( a lot) dark walnut gets running rigging color. It is my experience that supplies of natural, half bleached, and bleached are more likely to be available. The Baltic linen yarn that I have sourced could stand better quality control. There are bits of poorly crushed and not combed out plant fiber in places that break under twisting stress.
  5. Hi Twintrow, I expect all the answers say the same, trial and error. I've been making model ropes for many years on what would be deemed an old fashioned mechanical walk, 3 metres long driven by motor. Over the years I've amassed many varieties, colours and thicknesses of "rope" which all depend upon two main things - starting material (number of strands) and tension. Just record all rope runs with number of yarns per strand, number of strands and weight tension used. For each new mix record the measured diameter. MOST important record the source of the material used. You will amass a lot of charted data, but at least you can track the setting and material that produced the rope required. PS I've also found spools of ready to use "rope" on the haberdashery racks, 3 ply, beige or darker and just waiting to be used for sheets, and lifts etc. Don't forget to record what was used, where found and the codes! Aye, Kim
  6. Hi nzreg, OK I'm at the other end of the world, but I make my own ropes and use cotton threads supplied via here https://www.empressmills.co.uk/sewing-threads/general-purpose-sewing-threads which seems to suit well. Other materials are Barbour linen threads via eBay, they can be thicker but I use them for all my tying and securing seizing. It comes in different grades, sorry but I still, after 15 years, do not understand their sizing numbers. I just ask for the blackest, thinest and get 800m spools! Aye, Kim
  7. Syren rope Rockets should be back in stock soon. I just ordered a bunch of those parts that had been out of stock from the mfg because of Covid. As soon as they arrive I will make a bunch more. Everyone should give rope making a try. Its not that hard to do. A short learning curve and you will never buy another package of rope again. You will enjoy making your own. I will let everyone know when they done.
  8. It was over a year ago, but I bought some from here: https://www.snowgooselace.com/product-category/threads/dmc-cordonnet/
  9. Thanks for that Chuck, now I can stop beating my head against the wall looking for it.🤔
  10. They unfortunately discontinued there line of thread in most sizes that was used for rope making. They used to make sizes 100 thru 10 in white and ecru. Now you have to hunt for them on ebay second hand.
  11. Reading various post’s about rope making I see that DMC seems to be the cotton of choice for many folk. I am some what confused in that here in New Zealand DMC cotton comes in stranded packs used for embroidery and limited to 8 metre lengths. My question is does DMC sell it differently in the states or am I looking at the wrong stuff? Any help appreciated.
  12. Thank you..... I try my best to make some great quality rope!!! Its easy to make once you get the feel for it. I encourage everyone to try it as well.
  13. Yes, that's why I replaced all of Model Shipways kit rope with Artesania Latina rope at first until I discovered your rope. Now I replace everybody's kit rope with Syren rope. Good stuff, Chuck. Forgot to mention, same applies to kit supplied blocks, they get replaced with Syren blocks also,
  14. I just finished the 18th Century Armed Longboat from Model Shipways. I had a great deal of difficulty with their nylon rope. It doesn't go where I want it to. It doesn't hang naturally, so when trying to tie a knot it's the devil to get the end of the thread to go where you want. It won't lie down in a natural coil. I have given up on the stuff.
  15. You need a bigger workbench! Or not. Get two tables the same height and spread them as far apart as you want. You can also simply clamp a plank longer than your workbench to its top and put your ropewalk ends at either end of the plank. Or am I missing something here?
  16. The thicker the thread, the thicker the rope. The easiest is to buy heavier thread for your layup. You can also double or triple the number of threads you attach to each hook. Just make sure the tension of the multiple thread strands is equal on each hook. If you read this section on ropemaking, you will find charts of formulae, recipes, if you will, for making different thicknesses of rope.
  17. Linen yarn comes in a wide range of diameters. Search the site for posts listing sources. Yours is the continent where it is produced.
  18. What does your rope walk look like? There are different styles out there.. Mine is somewhat traditional but limited by the length of my workbench.. I can only make about 40 inches of rope at a time. The size of the rope is determined by the number of threads I use on each of the whorls. I have made rope with up to 8 threads on each of the 4 whorls, for a total of 24 threads.
  19. I just wanted to show you guys some rope I was making just yesterday. Its not packaged up yet. This is NOT Gutermann MARA. This is my poly/cotton blend stuff. Its supposed to be about 60/40 poly to cotton. But my guess is there is more poly. So yes I do still have to cook it. Same procedure as I mentioned for the Mara stuff above. I have started making it just in case I cant get my Linen thread anymore. But I digress. I just wanted to point out how tightly it is laid up.... Many more initial twists of the individual strands.....so after you twist all three strands together in the opposite direction, you can achieve a tighter rope. Doing this with poly is much much easier than doing it with cotton or linen. The natural stuff wants to kink up on you. But because the poly is a bit more stretchy, it wont. Its more forgiving. It is also not as important to tie the strands to your ropewalk with the exact same same tension initially. Because its a bit more stretchy....again it tends to equalize and make a really crisp and clean rope when laid up. This particular size rope is very small by the way. It is size .018 Also note the color difference between the mara stuff I posted. The mara stuff is a bit orange that the museum wanted so I chose this custom color for my new Syren ULTRA scale rope. Let me know if anyone has any questions. and this is a larger rope which would be a huge challenge to make on one of those planetary machines. ( ,080) Note the cut end which isnt unraveling......no glue at all. Again this is a poly blend ULTRA rope. It hangs and coils very naturally.
  20. Let me know if you have any questions at all. I believe that this a skill everyone should learn. In the long run it is so much cheaper to make your own. And when you get good at it, you could probably make all the rope you need for a given project in just one day. On any average day...today for me....I will be making about 65 to 70 packages of rope. Each between 20 and 22 feet long. just remember to lay it up tightly. 99% of folks dont and their results look more like String than scale miniature rope.
  21. Chuck - thanks so much. Would have been great to have this before making rope for Hannah - spent weeks figuring out recipes and how to color. And I do remember morope - beautiful looking stuff, but if I ever forgot to superglue prior to cutting, major unravelling. I have your rope rocket and am looking forward to getting my Sharpie to the rigging stage so I can try it. Dave
  22. Thanks a million for the receipe! That saves tons of time experimenting.
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