Louie da fly

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  1. At least I can answer the one about the preventer stay - it was a back-up for the stay itself in case it broke. Instead of an almighty disaster you'd have a nuisance - you'd still have to replace the stay itself as soon as possible, but in the meantime the preventer stay would hold the mast in place. Steven
  2. Selamat datang, Jonk. I've always admired traditional Indonesian ships and boats. They are very elegant. Steven
  3. My dromon - underwater hull completely planked, port side done except for one inaccessible plank, and about to start on the upper works for the starboard side. Steven
  4. The trouble with coins is that they only mean anything to the people in the same country as the modeller. Not being from the US, I have only a vague idea of the size of the coin in the above photo. The ruler, on the other hand, is more informative - but then, I was raised on feet and inches. Nowadays most countries use metric! Setven
  5. I've got a treasured piece of oak - an offcut from the Duyfken which I got while visiting her when she was being built. They were selling them as souvenirs, with the ship's name burnt into them. Such a pretty ship! And about the size of a crayboat. She was launched not on a slipway, but in a cradle. Steven
  6. I've transcribed part of the preamble I mentioned above (pages 110 onward in the book) incorporating an inventory of the equipment of one of Henry VIII's ships from 1532, (including its condition). It is full of information, including such things as the number of shrouds per mast. Of course it's in 16th century English, with appropriate spelling. I've done my best to render it into modern language but there are a few words for which I could find no modern equivalent. If anybody can work out what the words in square brackets mean, I'd be grateful. Strangely, for a "great bark", (though the tonnage is unknown, and I haven't been able to find any other references to her), she carries only seven great guns, with a further two on the forecastle. "This is the inventory of the great bark Vyenwyd by youre humble servant Christopher Morres, the 6th day of October, the 23 year of our soverayne king Henry the 8th. [1532] Item, in primus, the ship with one overlop [orlop = deck]; item, the fore castell, and a cloos timber deck from the mast forward, which was made of lait; Item, above the fore castell, a deck from the mayne maste afterward; Item a new mayne mast of spruce, with a nyewe staye, hounsyd [bound round] and skarvyd [scarphed] with the same wood; which mast is of length from the hounse to the step; 25 yards. The mayne mast, about the patnas, is 23 hands about; Item a nyewe mayne yaerd of spruce, of oon piece. Item; the takyll pertaynyng to the said mayne maste, 6 takylls on a syd. Item; 9 shrowds, and a back staye on either syd Item; in the sayd takylles, 6 shyvers [sheaves] of brasse, that is to say, 4 shyvers in the pennants, and 2 in the bowser takylls. Item; a payer of thyes [ties] and a payer of halyards; Item a gyver [block] with 2 brazing shyvers; item; the mayne parrel, with trussys and 2 dryughs; item 2 lysts [ropes which belong to the yard arms]; Item; 2 braesys; Item: 2 tregets; Item: a mayne kerse [course]; Item: a bonnet haulf worren, with shoutts [sheets?], tacks and bollyngs [bowlines?]; Item; a niew mayne top; Item: a top mast, and a top sayle, with all theyr apparel. Item: a mayne myssyn mast, and a mayne myssyn yaerd of spruce, of oon pece. Item: a payer of hayllaerds, and a tye for the sayd main myssyn yaerd; Item; 5 shrouds on eyche syd; Item, a mayne myssyn haulf a top; Item a mayne myssyn sayle haulf worren. Item: a Bonaventure mast, with a yaerd of spruce, of oon pece, with 3 shrouds on a side. Item, a payer of hayliards, item, a tye with haulf a top – Item a Bonaventure sayle, sore worren. Item, a foer mast, with 3 takylls, and 7 shroudys on a syd, with a tye and payer of hayliards, with 4 brasyn shyvers – Item a fore sayle yaerd with the apparels, 2 trussys; Item, 2 lysts, 2 braessys; 2 top sayll shoutts, 2 bollyngs – a fore staye – item foer sayle shouts, 2 tacks suche as they be; - item foer sayle koors, with 2 bonnetts, sore worren; Item a foer top mast, with a yaerd, with sayles, and takyll pertaining to yt. Item; a bowsprytt of ooke. Item, a sprytt sayle yaerd, skarryd, with a sprytt sayle sore worren. Item; 4 ankarrs with 2 old cabulls, - and another old cabull, whyche they say ys in the watar. Item; towe katt howkes [cat hooks], and 2 fysche howkes [fish hooks]; Item 4 pollys with brasyn shyvers, item a snatch polly, a luff hook [a takyll with 2 hooks], item 2 pollys for the mayne top sayle, item 2 great dubbell pollys with wodyn shyvers, item a great syngs polly with woddyn shyver, item 17 pollys great and small, item 4 kuyll of small ropys of roers stuff, item 4 boye ropys, good and bad, a fyd of yeron, item a ship kettell of 24 gallons, item a pytche pott of brasse , a gryndyng stoen, item, a crowe of yeron, item a pytche trouth, Item; a pompe with 3 boxsys, and 3 pompe stavys, item, 3 compassys and a kenning glass, item 5 lanternnes. Item a great boat pertaynnyng to the shyppe, with a davyd, with a shyver of brasse, item XII owers, and a schulb. Hereafter followeth the ordenans pertaynyng to the sayde schyppe. Item, in primus, 2 brazyn pecys called kannon pecys on stokys, which wayith: The one 9c. 3quart. 11lb, the other 10c. 1 quart. 17lb, the whole weight 20c. 28lb. Item, 2 payer of shod wheeles nyew, item 2 ladyng ladylls. STARBORD SIDE Item, oon port pece of yeron, cast with 2 chambers, item, a port pece of yeron, with oon chamber, item a spanyche slyng, with on chamber. LARBORD SIDE Item, oon port pece with 2 chambers, item, another port pece with oon cheamber, which chaember was nat mayde for the sayd pece IN THE FORECASSTELL Item, a small slyng, with 2 chaembers, item another pece of yeron with 2 chaembers, the oon broken." This is the inventory of the great bark Vyenwyd by your humble servant Christopher Morres, the 6th day of October, the 23rd year of our sovereign king Henry the 8th. [1532] First, the ship with one deck, the forecastle and a closed timber deck made of [lait](?). Above (after?) the forecastle, a deck from the main mast aft. A new main mast of spruce with a new stay, with wooldings and scarphed in the same wood. Length of the mast from the hounds to the step 25 yards. The circumference of the mast at the [patnas] is 23 hands. A new main yard of spruce, made in one piece. The tackle for the main mast, 6 tackles each side. 9 shrouds and a back stay on each side. In the tackles 6 sheaves – 4 sheaves in the pennants and 2 in the [bowser] tackles (perhaps in the meaning Bowse To pull or hoist). A pair of ties and a pair of halyards, a block with 2 brass sheaves, the main parrel with trusses and [dryughs] (trucks?) . 2 lists (lifts?), 2 braces, 2 [tregets], a main course, a bonnet (half worn) with sheets, tackles and bowlines, a new main top, topmast and topsail, with all their equipment. A main mizzen mast [i.e the third mast from the bow, lateen rigged - the fourth was the bonaventure mizzen] with a yard made from a single piece of spruce. A pair of halyards and a tie for the mizzen yard. 5 shrouds on each side, a mizzen half-top (?) and half worn mizzen sail. A bonaventure mizzen with a one-piece spruce yard, with 3 shrouds each side. A pair of halyards, a tie and a half-top, and a badly worn bonaventure sail. A foremast with 3 tackles and 7 shrouds each side, with a tie and a pair of halyards with 4 brass sheaves. A foresail yard with parrels, 2 trusses, 2 lists (lifts?) 2 braces, 2 topsail sheets, 2 bowlines, a forestay. Foresail sheets, 2 tacks [in poor condition]. Foresail course with 2 bonnets, badly worn. A fore topmast with a yard and sails and tackle pertaining to it. An oak bowsprit, a spritsail yard, scarred, with a badly worn spritsail. 4 anchors with 2 old cables and another old cable which they say is in the water. Two cat hooks and 2 fish hooks, 4 [blocks?] with brass sheaves, a snatch [block?], a luff hook (a tackle with 2 hooks), 2 [blocks?] for the main sail, 2 great double [blocks?] with wooden sheaves a great single [block] with wooden sheave, 17 [blocks] of different sizes, 4 coils of rope made of [roers] (material), 4 buoy ropes of varying quality, an iron fid, a 24 gallon ship’s kettle, a brass pitch pot, a grinding stone, an iron crowbar and a pitch trough. A pump with 3 boxes(?) and 3 pump staves, 3 compasses and a telescope, 5 lanterns. A large boat belonging to the ship with a [davyd] (davit?) with a brass sheave, 12 oars and a [schulb] The ships ordinance: First 2 brass pieces called cannon pieces, one of which which weighs [9 and a quarter hundredweight] and 11 pounds and the other [10 and a quarter hundredweight] and 17 pounds – [20 hundredweight] and 28 pounds total. 2 pairs of new shod wheels (presumably with iron tyres), 2 loading ladles. STARBOARD SIDE One iron port piece with 2 chambers(? iron guns were breech loaded - perhaps these are the removeable magazines ), an iron port piece with one chamber and a Spanish sling with one chamber. LARBOARD SIDE One port piece with 2 chambers, and another port piece with one chamber, which was not made for it. IN THE FORECASTLE A small sling with 2 chambers and another iron piece with 2 chambers of which one is broken. I find this stuff fascinating. I hope it's of help to anybody wanting to build a model of an English ship of this period. Note that the Mary Rose is of this vintage, though apparently much bigger (she carried 24 great guns including port pieces, culverins and demi-culverins, cannons and demi-cannons). Steven
  7. I just had another look at the Lomellina report and it says the capstan was for raising the mainyard rather than the anchor, though I suppose there's no good reason it couldn't have been used for both. Steven
  8. The Lomellina, a Genoese carrack which sank in 1516 had a capstan just aft of the foremast - see http://archeonavale.org/lomellina/an/l_102a.html its keel is 34.18 metres (112 feet) long with a 2.25 metre stempost (the sternpost is missing) - see http://archeonavale.org/lomellina/an/l_9a.html - compared with Mary Rose's 32 metres (I don't know if this was length of keel or overall length). The home page of the excavation is at http://archeonavale.org/lomellina/index.html The Red Bay wreck of 1565, though later (and a galleon, not a carrack), also had a capstan, between the main and mizzen masts (see http://www.patrimoniocultural.gov.pt/media/uploads/trabalhosdearqueologia/18/22.pdf ), though it's debatable whether this was for the anchor. The Complaynte of Scotland of 1548 refers to the anchor being raised by a capstan. I hope this is of help. Steven
  9. I agree. A very fertile field for modelling, of a ship with a great history. Steven
  10. You can see plans if you do a google image search for "Shackleton's Endurance Plans" but unfortunately none show her lines. There is also a wealth of photos, taken by the Australian photographer Frank Hurley, who went on to photograph the battlefields of the First World War obtainable from an image search for "Shackleton's Endurance". You might try contacting the Australian Maritime Museum or the National Library of Scotland, from which some of those plans come. Apparently the Shackleton family also have archives. However, it might be that none of them have full construction plans, as Endurance was an already existing ship which was converted for Polar exploration, and any surviving drawings are likely to be only of the conversion. However, by combining the existing drawings and the photographs it might be possible to reconstruct her. Steven
  11. Brian and Bill, I always thought awry was pronounced to rhyme with Rory. And I know of someone who thought misled was mizzled.
  12. Paul, great idea to start at the beginning of Hornblower's career. I have almost the whole set - I've read them all except Flying Colours, and I've lost my "Hotspur" (must get another copy!). But when you get to "The Happy Return" you may find a few minor discrepancies between it and the other books - it was the first Hornblower book written, and Forester seems to have developed Hornblower's personality somewhat differently in later books about his earlier career (an author's privilege, I suppose). It doesn't spoil the story, though.
  13. I agree with CaptArmstrong. It is very reminiscent of the late Roman/early Byzantine armour, which itself harked back to ancient Greece. The 'muscled' breastplate and the pteruges on the upper sleeves etc, and even the buskins could have come straight from the Barberini ivory (below). And rather than an accurate portrayal, this would be an 18th century person's idea of what the ancient Greeks wore.
  14. A small clarification of the seal, in case anybody was wondering why the dexter (Latin for right-hand) figure is on the left and the sinister (Latin for left-hand) figure is on the right, instead of the other way around. Seal descriptions come from the mediaeval art of heraldry - the study, rules and blazoning (describing in heraldic technical terms) of a person's coat of arms. The blazon relates first and foremost to the design on the shield, and describes the figures and designs from the viewpoint of the person holding the shield, not the viewer. So from the viewer's point of view, sinister is on the right and dexter is on the left . . . It's confusing, but that's the way it's been ever since heraldry began, and there's nothing we can do about it but learn to live with it. (A bit like pushing the tiller to port when you want to go to starboard . . .). As it's a seal rather than a coat of arms, I doubt that colours would be specified. I've looked at google images, and they show the background (field in heraldic terminology) as either white (argent) or blue (azure). With this as a basis, and choosing a white background, the blazon would go something like this - "Argent, a windmill's sails in saltire [i.e. as a diagonal cross] proper [in its natural colours]. In chief and base [top and bottom] a beaver statant [standing] or possibly couchant [lying down, but with head raised - there's no heraldic term for crouching, which is what these beavers appear to be doing] proper . In dexter and sinister a barrel proper [note that if the barrels were lying on their sides they would be called tuns.] For a crest, an eagle displayed [standing facing the viewer with its wings spread and head turned to the right - if it was facing the other way I think it would be described as regardant (looking backwards), or perhaps just "facing sinister"]. For supporters, dexter a sailor holding a plummet in his dexter hand, sinister, a native American (or whatever the correct heraldic term may be) holding a bow in his sinister hand, both upon a laurel branch in fess [horizontal] above the date 1625. Motto "sigillum civitatis novi eboraci" The whole within a laurel wreath proper." I've probably committed all kinds of heraldic blunders in this blazon, but it's not too far from how it should be. As you can see, it's a very technical and precise subject. The blazon is supposed to be phrased in such a way that anybody should be able to produce a picture of the coat of arms (or achievement) just from reading it. Perhaps not too germane to the discussion, but it's a subject I find fascinating. Steven