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  1. I also have one of these b/w photographs of Longridge`s Victory, scanned in high res....enjoy !
  2. R.I.P. John - my deep condolences to his family and all his friends ! John was a very kind and helpful man. Even we knew each other by email, he was always there when I needed help with my researchwork. I am greatful and proud that he supported me. Your book, your articles in the NRJ and your emails were always an inspiration for me. Thanks for everything John - I`ll miss you !
  3. Hi guys, the fallowing links, showing these wooden timbers (bumpers) below the gunports. They`re only fixed on 19th century models of the NMM. So the question arises again, if it was possible, that these "carriage-stops" were fitted long before - see HMS Colossus. Unfortunately, no model before 1800 existing, nor any other evidence except the wreck of this seventy-four gin ship !? These models also show the mentioned half-ports, washboards and port-lids. http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/68891.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/68912.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/68944.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66743.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/68960.html Couldn`t find any more...maybe anyone has more information about these details ?
  4. By the way... if these "half-ports" mentioned in Steel`s work, are the same type the french used at that time, it is clear why models do not show any of these ! The french version shows, that these very completely removable and only used in harbour. The so called "washboard" is also shown. It is very close to the finds in the gun port of HMS Colossus, remember the wooden "battens" for a thin washboard to slip down into it, with a semi-circular hole for the gun barrel to fit into. Maybe this was a standard fitting in preparing a ship for service. That`s why David Steel mentioned it. One can also speculate, that half-ports were in use already before 1800, because Steel took about 20 years to ask his sources and arrange all informations before he was able to write his work down. Examples for obsolete Informations existing in case of Masting and Rigging.
  5. I´m not sure about my guess (that`s just what it is)... The statements in the books shown, give more information. I'll search more sources, maybe I'll find more.
  6. Today, I`ve taken a look in some of my books. Not very much is written on "half-ports". Though some have interesting sections also regarding "bumpers". I`ve made a little list here in the hope, that everyone of you do have these books in your library: 1) The NRG: Ship Modeller`s Shop Notes Vol.I - Pages 121 - 123 2) Milton Roth: Ship Modeling from Stem to Stern - Pages 204 - 208 3) Charles G. Davis: The Built-Up Ship Model - Pages 117 - 119 4) Jean Boudriot: The seventy-four gun ship Vol.II - Pages 164 - 167 and Plate XXXIX between Pages 172/173 Searching for more...
  7. I`m not sure, that these were stowed away for action. The missing "hinge" for the lower flap of the half-port in Steel indicates, that the lower one of these two flaps was removable. Remember the two small battens fixed an both lower sides of the MGD port sill - perhaps a "washboard". If such a simple fixture was also given to the upper deck ports, it would have been very easy to take this board out. These lower flaps had to be fixed somehow, right ? The upper flap just had to be raised and secured....ready. For a smaller ship like a frigate, brigantine or ship-sloop, the gun may have been permanently ran out while sailing (see the Steel data for the holes) and the lower flap may have been in use as that one on the gun deck of a bigger ship. (airing while sailing) Comprehensive investigations of models would be important. Are there examples ? The next point of investigation arises: When and how exactly were these half-ports fitted, used at sea and in preperation for battle ??? Holy Moly !
  8. Thank`s a lot Mark P ! In german forums, most of the members doesn`t speak english at all. So the cirlce of english speaking peope is very small. In addition, reading and understanding is very difficult, if not impossible for them. So much of their interpretation is false. No reproach, but a fact. But some of them do very well and are of much help to others. Unfortunately, only a few have an extensive library, especially in English literature. I am very thankful and happy to be here - I hope to contribute a lot more constructive posts here.
  9. Thank`s druxey, didn`t now that. In case of "half ports", Steel 1805 says: Upper Deck: (110-gun ship down to 16-gun cutter) PORTS - each port to be fitted with half ports made of deal, thick...1 1/2" lined with deal, thick...3/4" Holes for guns, diameter...27 Hole, lower part above the sills...4" Flap, On upper part to hang with hinges, deep...7"
  10. Another interesting find: HMS Belleisle, Trafalgar 1805 (Painting by Col. Wyllie) Note the "half-ports" of the upper deck.
  11. This could be likely but, when this was done while her repair (in 1796 I believe) and the biggest deadeyes in the RN measured only about 17" in diameter, why should they fit out a ship with a deadeye that was wether established, so nor produced by contract in the roperies ? In any case, this question arises. The ship came home from the battle of Aboukir. So maybe she got damaged in battle. To bring down the enemies Masts and Rigging was mostely wanted first. Was she involved in battle ? Who knows this by heart ? Otherwise I will have a look into literature. Big ships of the french were involved....remember the explosion of such a big ship of the line, L´Orient ! What dimensions did her deadeyes have, or that of other First Rates ? This may be another interesting point of investigation...maybe the "Colossus deadeye" was a souvenir ? Not sure yet but the report (I think) says, that none of the irons of the lower deadeyes, matches with the diameter of this one big deadeye...mysterious !
  12. Sure Wayne, difference in interpretation are allowed. But, a typical waterway plank of that time with it`s concave rounded edge to the inside, giving a seat to the ceiling planks of the ships side and the planking of the deck, is exactly that, what is visible. So to me as a student of Naval Architecture for many years, the fact, that such a typical waterway plank is clearly visible, it makes no sense that this should be a part of the ordinary ceiling. The concave rounded edge is the key to identification, ordinary ceiling plank is as plane as all the other planks for that reason.
  13. Thank you guys ! More intensive and deeper investigation in every single report is needed, before one can make safe statements. So give us all a little time, don`t hurry For some anticipation to discuss, on other objects found around the wrecksite, try to imagine, how a lower fore/main shroud deadeye, much wider in diameter than that of a 110-gun warship of that period (17") and so much wider than that for a 74-gun ship, gets into this wreck ? 57 cm in diameter - more than 22" ! ??? Interesting isn`t it ?
  14. Hi Wayne, as we concluded some post earlier (page 2), the waterway is still existing..only hard to identify on the photographs. Look twice and you will see. By the way, thank you very much for extracting the text from the Investigation Report above ! I`ll be studying all the reports in the next few weeks. I think there are some more things to discuss.

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