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  1. Jim I did not use the de-bonder as the keel was free about 2/3 of the way to the stern and there was tape wrapping the keel. It just snapped. I will use yellow glue and continue attaching it with the little blocks in the picture. By the way those blocks really make the bulkheads quite rigid. Joe
  2. INTRO As I open this log I find myself a bit conflicted as to what I could possibly add to curious or future builders of this admiralty model from Model Shipways. The kit was delivered in January of 2015 and as I understand it, this vintage addressed many of the early kit anomalies from the 2013 introduction. I had seen the designer's prototype version and had an opportunity to be mentored by him on his research sources and the construction. As further impetus for the project I used Essex as a research subject for a group presentation. At the outset I thought I had ample sources of reference for it's build, however as I delved deeper the dissonance I discovered over a number of sources almost caused me to rethink a build. The topic and my findings are covered on our web site www.modelshipwrightguildwny.org under Topics Of Interest. I opened this kit recently as I needed a subject for a January 2018 display/demo for the Strong Museum here in Rochester, N.Y. On January 12th and 13th they are engaging families with a pirate theme and one of our members, with publicity in mind, approached them to determine interest. They responded with an invite. I chose this subject for the event as Essex in some ways was a "pirate" in her last days marauding English whalers and merchant men in the southern Pacific before meeting her capture. I plan to display/demo the build from the former on up on my rendition of Ed Tosti's building jig. THE BUILD I will not spend time in reviewing the kit contents as others have done a very good job on that score but I will comment on certain aspects of the kit as I journey down this build.
  3. This is a good news, bad news accounting. The Strong museum demo/display was this past weekend. I used Essex for my demonstration for how a kit might begin and managed to assemble about 16 of the bulkheads before the end of the 2 day session. Today I installed the bulkheads 17 through 20. At this point one has to decide if the "strong back" stiffeners are to be added as they pass through bulkheads 3 through 20. They then are glued to the "strong back" and hopefully some of the bulkheads. It turns out this is a annoying task.. I say that because of slight irregularities in the slot of each bulkhead. Theoretically they all should line up and the stiffener just slides through, in this case from the stern, one to a side. If one uses the top of the strong back as the datum slight irregularities occur in the alignment of the slot from bulkhead to bulkhead. As it turned out I had to remove about 40 thousands from the stiffeners. and chamfer the edges to avoid any glue obstructions that may have occurred when the bulkheads were glued in place. Stupidly I used CA to attempt to fasten the stiffeners to the strong back. I used the very thin CA and sure enough some trickled down onto my assembly jig gluing the keel to it!!!!! It took a bit of doing but I was able to extract the hull from the jig but in so doing the keel and most of the rabbet strip stayed behind. After a few moments of self chastisement I discovered it was somewhat of a blessing in disguise. I will have to make a new keel. When using the top of the strong back as a datum and with each bulkhead set flush with it I observed that about 7 of the bulkheads protruded into the rabbet area. At this point I realized it was going to be a lot easier to sand the bulkheads at this point so there was no rabbet overlap prior to the keel repair! That's my good news. Sort of! Joe Note bulhead protrusion at rule 15 3/4 and 16 1/4.
  4. Where does this passion and drive come from? It seems every time I check in you have taken another leap forward with great results. Simply amazing! Joe
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    Hannah by Bobby B

    Excellent work BobbyB. It is refreshing to see someone building the Hahn way and fully framed. In regard to the plans are they the Tubman???? And what scale is that? Joe
  6. Thanks Mark and David we aren't going to give up on promoting this incredible art. modeling or past time whatever it is seen as. My thoughts have been flavored by what I see around us. For example, I happened to be watching 60 Minutes on CBS last night and my dread was re-enforced by the segment of how AI is infiltrating our lives at nearly "light speed". It was related that in the next 20 or so years, 40% of all jobs could be eliminated in the world by AI technology. In comparison, I recall in 1971 Intel introduced the 4bit microprocessor and look where we are some 45+ years later! While we have folded in 3D printing, CNC and Laser machining into our works no telling what the next 20 years will bring even to this practice. Joe
  7. We are pleased to announce the formation of a new group in Rochester NY, the Model Shipwright Guild of Western NY. We meet monthly at the Military History Society of Rochester NY Museum. Our membership shares a common interest in research, model ship building techniques and construction of historic ship models of all periods and types. Presently some members are researching the possibility of constructing a model of an Army/Navy Coastal Tanker built here at the Odenbach Ship Yards during WWII. Sixty or more were built at this site while others were built in Florida and Louisiana. Some of these tankers were still in use in the Korean War. Oddly accurate ship lines are hard to obtain as the family has not been able to produce them for us and just recently the plant was torn down.. We meet at an incredible venue, the museum, thanks to the generosity of the executive director, Charles Baylis. Military artifacts date from the Revolutionary War into Twentieth Century campaigns. Several US Navy vessels are on display. They include the USS Langley, the first aircraft carrier, and the "under construction USS Rochester, a WWI Cruiser by members of our group. For more information about the museum visit www.rochestermilitary societty.com. New members are welcome. Presently we meet the 2nd Saturday of the month. Contact jlorenzo2@rochester.rr.com for more information.
  8. Thanks for checking in Eric. I do know programming as I was involved in multi processer, real time, machine control for machines. Its just that with modern technology, the old arts/interests take a back seat. We are planning at least one more outreach maybe this fall. So keep us in mind. And snow is headed our way by Friday reportedly in the form of a storm. We will see. Joe
  9. The demo and display at the Strong Museum was completed today. From the security folk nearly 8 thousand people visited for general and special events. We were given great placement for our display and signage that could not be missed as it was in the main lobby area. We all agree our hosts were magnificent in both accommodation and welcome. The Strong Museum is a class act to be sure. We had many visitors stop by and admire the member display. The museum is structured to entertain and celebrate the all important aspect of play for children. I would hazard a guess that it is geared primarily to those below 10 years of age. So it wasn't surprising that the parents were the ones who were the most interested in our works. That was re enforced on Saturday when I wandered into a class room of older children and parents. When I inquired what the class about, I was told it was a 4 week class on how to program video games. What ever happened to the days of model building for young folk? It is doubtful given the parents age and the children's age that we will attract any new members.We did however get our name out there. We all live and learn. Joe
  10. With the imminent departure of the USS Langley model from the Military History Society museum, where we hold our meetings, a huge display area will be wanting. The director of the Society, a Viet Nam Special Forces veteran, has longed for a model of the first generation of the River Patrol Boats introduced to combat coastal and river combatants some 60 years ago. The scale chosen allows the outfitting of the model with some pretty amazing components. The model will be a waterline model of mixed materials built to as much accuracy as possible given the "plans" available to us and the many on line pictures and videos thus far discovered. These vessels were the first builds for the "brown water Navy" in 1965 by United Boat Builders of Bellingham Washington. This company was well into the construction of a number of fiberglass hull pleasure and work boats at the time and was awarded a contract to build 120 of the Mark 1's. It is believed the hull is a direct takeoff of their 32 foot Sports Sedan as the lines and forward deck area appear to be almost identical. The company was later renamed as Uniflite Corporation and appears to have built a number of the follow on PBR Mark 2's as well as other naval support craft. Almost to a boat these vessels were left in Viet Nam but some did find their way to the US and have become either individual or club restoration projects that are fully operational today! The mission of these vessels was to provide patrol duty to deny Viet Cong and North Vietnamese operations along the coast and inland water ways of the South. These vessels were typically operated by a crew of 4 and patrolled with another PBR. Often the conditions of sea to shore interdiction dictated that helicopter gun ships were called in to assist the PBRs. We have included the following photo and specification of the PBR Mark 1 as reference. As we learn more of these vessels we will provide further background. Craft Stats Featured: MK1 PBR Type: Patrol Boat, River Length: 31 feet Width: 10 feet 7 inches Weight: 8 tons (loaded) Draft: 2.5 feet Speed: 30 mph Range: 574 km (355 miles) Armament: 1 twin M2HB .50 Cal turret (forward) 1 single M2HB .50 Cal (aft) 1-2 M60 .30 Cal (side mounted) 1 40mm MK19 Grenade Launcher (1968 and later) Location: Vietnam Experience Exhibit Source: This patrol boat is on loan from Naval History and Heritage Command.
  11. We are only able to muster 2 to 4 hours a week on this build so indeed progress has been less than impressive. Today was somewhat of a milestone however. The "skin" is complete and the sheer line fairing has been made. We are now concentrating on some smoothing and fairing of the hull prior to fiberglass treatment. This seems a most prudent step as one can see the application of Nitro Stan glazing and 3M filler has been required to modify flagrant imperfections. The starboard side is clear evidence of that. Again the use of the 3 inch basswood sheets was thought to be a time saver but it turns out strip planking would have yielded better results. What can't be seen is the inside of the hull. There are many wood braces spanning laterally laid sheets at their junction to stiffen the skin. Luckily this will be hidden once we skin the inner hull. The backdrop is the 1:6 scale Maryland Silver drawings. The photo is from the good folks at Patriots Point South Carolina. Joe
  12. Just a reminder The Model Shipwrights of Western NY (note the name change, we dropped the Guild, our web site remains the same as before) will be at the Strong Museum in Rochester NY this weekend (January 12th and 13th). Five members will be actively working on modeling or modeling techniques. Rigging, sail making, hull construction and general hull detailing will be demonstrated. We are giving away a brand new model kit in a drawing in the hopes of signing up new members.
  13. Anna, hello from upstate New York! You obviously have an artistic talent which should support you in your endeavors. I started ship modeling at about your age and the passion has never left. Life events tended to interrupt me at times but as I said the extreme interest and wonder never left. You may be aware that of your gender Portia Takakjian was one of the most prominent illustrators and modelers of modern times. Look her up, her works were impressive. Look forward to seeing your progress. Joe
  14. Doris I forgot to ask...what are the resistors for near the main cabin...lighting? Joe
  15. Doris you have a rare gift that most can not approach in kind. Simply stunning! Joe
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    Hi from Rome, Italy

    Buongiorno from upstate New York along Lake Ontario. Picard, you will find the membership and work of this site a most pleasurable journey. Do start a log. It is a way to seek guidance and engage new people all over this world. Joe
  17. You wax poetically chief. Great job. I may have missed it are you donating the model for public viewing? Joe
  18. I have never heard of this Polybak material so will have to inquire further locally. I used to work in engineering at Raytheon in Portsmouth RI on the sonar systems to track these beasts of the deep. Such an impressive vessel. Was in the James River and saw one of these boats come in from the sea with only the conning tower showing, plowing a giant bow bubble. I was just awed by its presence and what a true beast it was. Lovely work and your skill set is impressive. Joe
  19. Continue to work on preparatory tasks to make the museum assembly proceed without episode. In this vein I dry assembled a gun deck cannon to make sure of its height in relation to the gun ports. With wheels mounted it measures 12mm from floor to top of the carriage of the cannon. The reason for this exercise was to see if the dotted line on sheet 1 of the drawing's gun port framing view, when interpreted as the top of the former and bulkheads, would allow the cannon to clear the gun port sill when the false deck/decking were added. It is indeed the reference I assumed. Now that I have satisfied myself that this is a good datum(that dotted line) I will mark off the sills of the gun ports on the bulkheads in readiness for former install of the gun port elements. Onto the monotonous and dirty task of sanding each bulkhead to remove the char. Since there are 22 bulkheads I opted to use the Dremel tool outfitted with a drum sanding head. At slow speed this is quite effective at the char removal albeit I broke 2 of the upper frame uprights. More work is needed as these frames still fall into the rabbet area. Joe
  20. As your Florida neighbor asks "do you ever sleep". You are a prolific and masterful modeler that makes kit modeling come alive. I am amazed at your and others productivity that seem to produce at "warp speed". In that light we have one group member that starts at about 10:00 at night when the house is quiet. If I started at that time I would likely nod off and hurt myself. Wished I lived closer so I could look over your shoulder to understand your work process. Joe
  21. In your glory I would imagine Rusty! Outstanding work. How did you maintain any semblance of placement of the holes even with the ribs back illuminated? Joe
  22. As I said moving on I am preparing for the upcoming January demo/display at the museum. I will be assembling the hull at the museum. In preparation, I have modified my hull building jig (which I had submitted to the MSW site but seems to have disappeared). I will restate this gantry style jig was a borrowed idea from, I believe Ed Tosti, who came up with the design. It is quite effective in holding the former/keel and ensuring the bulkhead perpendicularity can be easily maintained. The one improvement I have made to mine, since its last use, was to add a registration guide to achieve a guaranteed centering of the gantry cross member '0' mark of the center finding ruler that is attached. The gantry lock down was a sloppy fit in the 'T' track making it easy to go astray as it was moved down the length of the platform. Adding a foot to the inboard member of the gantry that rides nicely in the 'T' track slot ensures center registration. It is hard to see in the picture attached as it rides inside the 'T' track afixed to the shoe of the gantry. Only one is needed if it is a good fit. Joe
  23. Sam I should have been more discreet in my last entry here. I had no intention of entangling you in this. I just didn't know how many drawing revisions went out in 2015 with the kit. I do indeed have a query into the manufacturer as I feel that is where the dissonance lies, not in your work. If I don't hear from them I will follow the trail with Crane. Nonetheless I am moving off this sub category of the build and onto more of the build. Joe
  24. Imagine in the midst of all the craziness that is swirling around us here in the US I find myself obsessing over the accuracy of body plans for a period ship model. I may need to seek therapy soon! In any event I am offering this as my final input and direction forward. I make no claim as to this being the definitive word because what I have decided is based on correlation of/within two sources rather than anything more comprehensive. The two sources are the 2015 release of the Cassano drawing within the kit of the same date and the source mentioned in the Model Ship Builder posting. As I understand it both individuals have designs based on reconstruction of the Hackett plans. Which I further understand that for at least one designer admits his design has some limits. Here is what I did. I replicated the body plan from the Model Ship Builder source. It was of a 1:64 scale. I enlarged it to match the Cassano body plan (1:76.8) and then overlaid the two. They do not match 100% but do show reasonable correlation. The beam is off a bit but that could be magnification errors from web image to screen image to magnification to obtain scale and then to print. The bow stations have decent correlation. Some of the difference might be accounted for by the difference in assigned station lines. The stern section is not quite as much of a match but is somewhat close (see above). Now here is the strange part which I cannot explain. If I use the bow bulkhead from the kit and overlay it on the Cassano body plan it is a very good fit. If I do the similar thing with the stern bulkhead it too is a match. This is what threw me off; placing those same bulkheads on the Cassano sheet that contains each bulkhead shows the deviation earlier noted. Also noted is that the height of the bulkheads seems to be in agreement. In summary I will stay the course with the kit supplied bulkheads and build out from there using not only the Cassano detail drawing but Portia's as well. I apologize if I have whipped interested parties to and fro in this pursuit. And to round out the responses ME got back to me today and further emphasized that sheet 2 of the drawing pack is for reference only and does not reflect the machined parts precisely as the drawing so indicates. So why is that drawing in the set??? Blissfully I move on with all this in the rear view mirror. (12/26/18) Joe
  25. Yet a bit more crazy making regarding the accuracy of the kit Essex lines. This morning I remembered this thread on another web site that was done by a Gary M who arduously reconstructed the Essex lines from the AOTS by Portia. His reconstruction to 1:64 scale makes my analysis look primitive albeit the results closely align to what we collectively have been saying herein. I am now wondering if the bulkheads within the kit were a lift of his at the 5/32 scale. Here is the site: http://www.modelshipbuilder.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?16273.30

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