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  3. An interesting comparison - muzzle loading black powder guns of old had a muzzle velocity on the order of 1,600 feet per second. The 5"/54 caliber Mark 45 gun used by the US Navy has a muzzle velocity on the order of 2,600 ft/sec. 16 inch guns on an Iowa Class Battleship likewise were about 2,600 ft/sec.
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  6. For an interesting discussion of the history and production of pine tar (same stuff, generic name) during the day of hemp, see The utility on model shrouds and standing rigging is at best marginal - the scaling of the lines (and the material used) will likely result in a change to the accuracy of the hue relative to the material. It also is potentially a source of frustration over time as it could become a great dust attractant and collector, as well as occasional liquification and dripping onto otherwise clean woodwork. I am not sure if anyone has taken samples of rigging from contemporary models to determine the nature of the compound used to obtain the tinting. Would be an interesting analysis!
  7. Wow! she came out quite attractive!
  8. Very nice find! Here is the link (note it is the 1812 edition) Steel, David. 1812. The Elements and Practice of Naval Architecture; Or: A Treatise on Ship-Building, Theoretical and Practical, on the Best Principles Established in Great Britain. With Copious Tables of Dimensions, &c. Illustrated with a Series of Thirty-Nine Large Draughts, ... Steel and Company.
  9. Fortunately, most of the noise from firing the guns was to the outside of the hull as the sound was directed out of the gun barrel. It would still be very loud in the hull, but the concussive shockwave of the firing was not present to rupture ear drums and such.
  10. Uncertain how American practice may have varied from British. For British, you might find something in Rees or Steel. For US, possibly in Humphreys notebook.
  11. Can't answer the IPad vice PC query, but the other one is straightforward. If you have posted in a topic it gets a star or asterisk. If not, there is a bullet point. The nice thing is that if you click on either the star or the circle it takes you to the first unread post in that log. Hope that helps!
  12. An interesting portrait - I wonder how accurate the "British School, 19th Century" classification is? If it were by Hilliard (note they indicate " IN THE MANNER OF NICHOLAS HILLIARD" ) it would certainly be from the right era. A 19th Century portrait would certainly prompt some closer checking for the details and accuracy there of. Did you note the similarity between the Presumed portrait of Drake and the portrait by Hilliard of George Clifford, 3rd Earl of Cumberland found here:
  13. Welcome to the world of "modern" museums, where the focus is on providing open spaces and a few changing exhibits in a multimedia format that entertains. It is, to a dinosaur such as myself, both depressing and frustrating. I much prefer to read as my learning style - standing in line to watch some narrated video on a monitor is not enjoyable. I suppose there is a need to change with the times to remain relevant, but only time will show if these curatorial changes are effective in drawing young families to museums (the goal is to increase visitorship) or, conversely, if folks like us that stop visiting are not replaced by milenials.
  14. There is, somewhere here on MSW, some pretty good discussion on the evolution and history of pigments. As i recall, which is in itself of dubious value, red was not a very common pigment until the 18th century, and even then, when looking at carpenter's stores, not abundant as compared to other pigments. Ochre is the colloquial term used by archaeologists to describe an earth or rock containing red or yellow oxides, most commonly hydroxides of iron. Red ochres typically consist of iron oxides (Fe2O3) derived from hematites (from the Greek word for “blood-like”) and other iron-rich rocks. Red ochres are relatively common in natural geological and soil formations, with archeological evidence of use since more than 30,000 years ago. Use as a pigment for ships is less tangible, surprisingly, than other uses. It would require fairly regular updating as the pigments and binders of the period were rather impermanent. It wasn’t until the late 18th century that the French developed a method for artificially producing a similar red pigment. It may be of some interest to take a look at recent research concerning the HMS Victory where they have determined that it was not painted red in the Orlop, but rather the flats of the deck (deck referring to the level of the vessel, and flat the surface trod upon) was most likely unpainted, while the bulwarks (walls) were more likely a lighter shade (quite possibly whitewashed). See Goodwin, Peter G. 2013. “The Application and Scheme of Paintworks in British Men-of-War in the Late Eighteenth and Early Nineteenth Centuries.” The Mariner’s Mirror 99 (3): 287–300. doi:10.1080/00253359.2013.815993 for a very interesting analysis by one of the top living experts on the Victory.
  15. Unfortunately, would need at a minimum the beam to estimate the length, as tunnage (you list as net tonnage) was derived from the principal dimensions. In general, the British method during the period (1848) is described in Murray, Andrew, and Augustin Francis B. Creuze. 1861. The Theory and Practice of Ship-Building. With Portions of the Treatise on Naval Architecture [from the Encyclopaedia Britannica] by A.F.B. Creuze. Steam-Ships by R. Murray. available from on page 158. Earlier methods used the beam (B) as the primary dimension, subtracting 3/5B from the length between perpendiculars to derive the length of keel for tonnage. The depth in hold was then 1/2B. Unfortunately, not really useful for determining the actual dimensions. I am not sure what the Swedish methods of the time were, but they were probably quite different (note that in the late 18th century, Chapman offered a summary of the current method in Society for the improvement of naval architecture London. 1792. Some Account of the Institution, Plan, and Present State, of the Society for the Improvement of Naval Architecture: With the Premiums Offered by the Society, List of Members, and the Rules and Orders of the Society. To Which Are Annexed Some Papers on Subjects of Naval Architecture Received by the Committee. Starting on page 48. One Swedish Common Last was roughly equivalent to 2 English Tons (see page 270 in Stevens, Robert White. 1863. On the Stowage of Ships and Their Cargoes. 3rd ed. Рипол Классик. ) Hope this helps a little bit!
  16. Still learning my way around, but the desktop site and themes are ok, if a tad over sized for my taste (for definition of dinosaur, ask for my bio. I miss the days when websites had a text only option...but I digress). Query: new themes are horrible on smart phones. Prior iteration had a mobile or could choose full version. can't find now. Any changes are across all devices (sign in related?) rather than device dependent. Any thoughts on mobile theme/version? Many thanks.
  17. Have you checked Abe Books - several listed there (reprints of the 1794 edition including folding plan sheets) for less than $50 US's-elements-mastmaking-sailmaking-rigging/ Alternatively, there is an on-line version available at includes the plates.
  18. Here is the 1842 Lloyd's listing for the Rebecca: Now listed as a Barque, Class AE1, Sheathed with felt and Yellow Metal. descriptions of the other changes in the column data are in the attached PDF. The numeral .41 in a few columns indicates the year of that information - matches the rebuild mentioned above. Pages from 1842 Lloyd_s_Register_of_British_and_Foreign.pdf
  19. The A-1 or E-1 classification is probably reflecting different periods during her career - the A rated are top quality and condition. The E rating is a slightly lower condition and to be expected after several years of service. Note that the 1 relates to the equipment (masts and such) and indicates an overall good quality for them.
  20. Here is an additional article by Mr. Howard that you may find interesting: Howard, Mark. 1992. “Robert Steele & Co, Shipbuilders of Greenock.” The Northern Mariner/La Marin Du Nord II (3): 17–29. If you are unable to access it through, try the CNRS website here; Here is the information from MacGregor, David R. 1985. Merchant Sailing Ships, 1775-1815: Sovereignty of Sail. Annapolis, Md: Naval Institute Press. Page 134. Rebecca (1816, Ship rigged). Dimensions from Yard Book (Length is "Keel and fore rake") Length - 95 ft 2 in Beam 26 ft 11 1/2 in Depth of hold 18 ft 2 in 305 33/94 tons
  21. The info sheet at the following link has additional on reading the entries,
  22. The following is from the 1818 Lloyds Register:
  23. Ah, but here's the sticky wicket - the terms applied to rigging were highly variable and NOT internationally established until fairly recently. One person's Brig may have been termed a Snow by another. Ship, while generally the most "agreed upon" rig, was also a generic term for a large vessel with sails. Sloop had nothing to do with the rig until mid 19th century, and Brigantine and Brig are, for the time period in question, terms of finesse. Brigantine was likely the older rig, but also has been referred to as a Schooner Brig and Hermaphrodite Brig. Having said that, here is my view based on the various records cited. You can be fairly certain that the Rebecca of interest was very probably a Brig, based on the various entries. The genealogical entry in post 12, on the other hand, is quite the least reliable - probably applying the term ship in the most generic context. This was a compilation of information from many sources, condensed into a brief summary. The type of vessel was not a particular concern, but rather that a passage was made on a vessel named the Rebecca. The other entries, where the vessel is termed a Brig, are probably more accurate. The next challenge is finding information on the builder and so on - a much more challenging endeavor!
  24. Not sure if I ever showed the new workshop. A bit cluttered but quite cozy.