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  1. Very very sad, but his legacy will stay alive! Thanks to him for sharing all this knowledge! Daniel
  2. Found some time to tinker a bit on that exotic gem πŸ™‚ Got a signal gun - one of 6 on the ship for salutes - and one historical barrel. The rest will be windows. The gun is a self made brass one made in my Dremel to give it a slightly conical shape. Also the chainboards with the accurate number and position for the irons is there together with the small port that gives access to the shrouds. A child that only a mom is able to love - or a dafi πŸ˜‰ XXXDAn
  3. Do not worry Gary, I got it absolutely right what your intention was and I am always very thankful of well founded informations. I only point out the suspected mislabeling on a regular base, as we already had a lot of discussions on other details like the number of the stern windows of theses models as they proves that the Vic in P. is completely wrong in theses aspects ... Some details of the 1803 block model can also be observed in the turner drawings like the carvings on the cutwater πŸ™‚ Cheers, Daniel
  4. Thank you Gary, as a good example for the possible color - I always saw this as white and not the creamy tint that it actually is - I would just renew my suspicion about the identification of the model. See https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6044-wrong-identified-models-of-hms-victory-in-nmm/&do=findComment&comment=175377 XXXDAn
  5. Thanx Gary and OC, I will come back to this! Smoothed up every thing and did the port frames. XXXDAn
  6. The really cheapest way is to make them out of paper like the card-board-specialists do. Basically some paper wrapped several times around a core. Have a look at the cardboard forums if no-one ever presented it here πŸ™‚ XXXDAn
  7. Funny enough most modelers build the version that: - existed the shortest time - that is the least documented But on the other hand modelers have the tendency to be stubborn to new research. But still these changes often contradicted with other knowledge or was soon to be revised like the stern davits on and off and other features. But on the other side, do not forget that we all here are rivet counters and the job the curators did since 1920 really succeeded in bringing the feeling of the old seafarers to the "normal" people, to keep the history alive, no matter all the details we say "THEY" did "WRONG". XXXDAn
  8. Thank you for the great discussion, quite sure we will follow this still for quite a while, it might stay intriguing πŸ™‚ So to not loose the fine nuances for colors as a contrast some black and white thinking. To spread some light into why the port holes were planked over πŸ™‚ Next thing first planking trials. Still quite topsy-turvy but one can see the direction πŸ™‚ XXXDAn
  9. By the sources was she black until on the lower gundeck and the rest rosin until 1782 when the rosin parts were supposedly painted β€žDull Yellow Ochreβ€œ, one of the standard color schemes of the period. To add some confusion about the painting scheme, Turners drawings still give some hints that the spread of the colors was yet different ... But that to a later point πŸ™‚ XXXDAn
  10. Exactly my point. Thank you for the text that nicely shows my suspicion. The two shades of blue can be seen on the 1765 model of the Vic http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66473.html lighter in the upper deck, darker on the middle deck. The only place mentioned as provenance of the paint is a capstan, and that is a inbord usage of the paint. Most painters used the "usual" colors for the english ships. So does Turner, who saw the Vic before and after Trafalgar. As he is master of moods and colors my suspicion is that he would have not let the opportunity slip to use a more vivid color to point out this emotional ship. Anyway I do believe with the quality standards of these days the ship should have looked much more like a patchwork, as each barrel of paint should have changed in tint πŸ˜‰ XXXDAn
  11. Chemical interaction with the vehicle or other paints? It is more than 200years now. But the most important question to me still is where is the provenance of the sample(s). And how this small sample gave reason to be applied to the whole outside of the ship? Always open for new finings and input, as long as they are explained properly and seem logical to me. Good research is one thing, judging the results the other. XXXDan

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