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  1. Looking very good, Rich. I’ve temporarily halted my Syren build while I research the best way to furl sails. (The research is as much fun as the actual build.) I think I figured out the staysails and I’m now working on the square sales. Ed
  2. Very nice the deadeyes look perfectly even. What procedure did you use? I usually hang the top deadeye evenly first. Ed
  3. Thanks Nice work, Rich, and Inspirational. I’m taking July off from the build to do research with respect to proper furling and rigging. I enjoy that part of the hobby almost as much as the build. Ed
  4. Good morning, Rich. I just logged on to your Brig Syren (Argus) log for the first time. I am also building Syren and just finished the main and fore masts. [Before I go further, I wish you a complete recovery from the injuries you suffered. Time heals most all.] I’ll be traveling in July, but will use the month to figure out how to bend furled sails to the model. I’ve never done that and, of course, the Syren instruction manual doesn’t cover the subject. There’s a lot of literature on the preparation of the sails, but not much on bending them to the yards. I do have Landlubber Mike’s excellent treatise, so my first task will be to learn which blocks on the yards and other spars are used for clews, leaches, bunts, and sheets. When I return, I’ll bring my build log up to snuff. In the meantime, I look forward to following your excellent build. Ed
  5. Frank, I’m building Syren, my third build, and would like to furl sails. Syren instructions configure the clews, bunts, sheets, etc. without sails. I can attach most of the lines to a sail and furl it to a yard before mounting the yard on the mast; but what do I do with the lines  after mounting the yards. Any help or references would be greatly appreciated. EdatWycliffe 

    1. JerseyCity Frankie

      JerseyCity Frankie

      If the diagrams included in the instructions are valid they’ll show lead blocks on the yard and under the top or near the mastheads on the upper masts. There will be a lead block for each of the lines you mention. These lead blocks are what the lines all reave through and then lead down to the deck. If the Syren documentation doesn’t show these things -it’s a great kit so I’d be surprised if there’s no rigging diagram- then I’d suggest getting a copy of Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War by Lees. The layout and lead of all running rigging from numerous eras is exhaustively laid out in that book. Alternatively you could use almost any contemporary frigate rigging diagram since the lead of these standard lines wouldn’t vary greatly from ship to ship.

    2. EdatWycliffe

      EdatWycliffe

      Thanks much, Frank. The Syren plan sheets indicate the blocks and I’ll check Lees. 

  6. Sorry. Thanks Kevin!! I’ll bet you get that a lot. Ed
  7. Thanks, Kenny. I’ll look at the video this evening. Bending sails is a challenge and I’m happy to have the help. Ed
  8. Thanks much, Allan. I should have Lees in the library. Appreciate the suggestion. Ed
  9. Thanks much druxey. Appreciate the suggestion. I‘ll order the book. Ed
  10. Thanks much Wefalck. That’s very helpful! Appreciate the quick response. I’ll take my time with this and hopefully get it right. Ed
  11. Dan, I’m building Syren and about ready to step masts. I want to furl sails and have read extensively about making the sail and furling it. But I can’t find any source to tell me how to rig the sails. Certainly the clew lines, leach lines, etc. are rigged differently from rigging without sales. Simply put, where can I learn how to rig a furled sail? Thanks EdatWycliffe
  12. Hi, Ken. Long time since we built Fair American at the same time. I’m now working on Syren and I’d like to ask your help with furling sails. Never tried it before and I’ve read lots of articles on making the sails. But, I can’t figure out what lines need to be attached to the sails when furled, and when they are attached (before or after mounting the yards). Can you recommend articles or sites that focus on rigging furled sails?

    Thanks, Ed (ejg711@yahoo.com)

    1. KenW

      KenW

      Ed:  I’ve been away and haven’t had access to WiFi.  I’ll prepare an answer as best as I can.  My problem is that I’m still not home and my spelling is horrible and my memory isn’t much better.  A good source is Dave An... book AFFM volume 4.  He discusses each sail from the British Admirality perspective, which is a good place to start.  Also the book by Peterson and I can’t remember its title.  

      Hope this helps.  I’ll try to clean up the references when I get home and have the books in my hands.

    2. EdatWycliffe

      EdatWycliffe

      Thanks, Ken. I’ll start there. Been following your work—very impressive!

  13. Hi Ken: it’s been awhile since we we building Fair American. Hope all is well in Brooklyn. I’m now building Syren and want to furl sails. I read a post that you referenced a 30-page article on furling in your Rattlesnake build. I just read Landlubber Mike’s excellent post on furling and thought I could get a reference from you for the 30-page furling article. Thanks much. EdatWycliffe. 

    1. KenW

      KenW

      Ed:  Sorry about the delay, but I don't normally read my profile.  The best way to get me is by using the Notifications feature.  When I rigged my Fair American and Rattlesnake I did a lot of research.  I didn't just go along with the models plans; although I kept the plans in mind.  If you want I can give you a list of the books in my library that I rely on.  My personal email is jeffjonjames@mindspring.com .  You may get a reject reply, but I will see your email and get back to you.

      Cheers.

  14. Chapter 4 Stern Framing: I'm about three weeks late posting this entry. Started the upper hull framing and couldn't stop. (More on the next post re hull planking.) As you will see from the five photos, below. I had my hands full getting the stern framing to be half way acceptable. The sin of not perfectly squaring the bulwarks and center former revisited me with a vengeance. The formers were off kilter in three planes! I took a very deep breath and remembered that its just wood that can be built up and carved down. As you can see from the different color stern frames (some white and some brown from the laser burn), I practically rebuilt three frames to get them all aligned. I've got to noodle around with the ports a bit to get them symmetrical, but that will come later. Meanwhile, I reading ahead in many of your build logs and in Chuck's original practicum to avoid as many pitfalls as I can. Much appreciate Dirk's and Larry's advice along the way. (Dirk, I secured some Danish oil and Humbrol matte black as you suggest. Thanks. Ed
  15. Thomas, thanks much for the cannonade information. I'm still a long way from assembling them, but I like to plan ahead. I'll definitely follow up with Cornwall Model Boats. I've just finished the gun ports, sweep ports and stern framing and will post an update early next week. (Flying to New York City this weekend to see the grandkids.) The stern framing was difficult and I had to sand down the frames in some places and build them up in others. Keeping the frames correctly aligned in three planes was a real bear! I think thinks turned out OK, but the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. Thanks again. And thanks to all who are following this log. It adds a very enjoyable dimension to the build. Ed
  16. Gun and sweep ports: Wow, what a job! It seems an eternity of measuring, fairing, cutting, gluing and sanding the gun and sweep ports. But, they are finally done, together with the sheave frames (two each, port and starboard). The eight pics, below, memorialize the effort. #1. I pinned a batten on the starboard side of the hull to get a good run for the gun port sills. I guess fairing was OK up to now because the run was smooth with no dips or twists and was pretty close to the laser guide marks on the bulwarks. #2. The sills were cut and glued on the starboard side. Seems like this should have been a simple step, but I cut the sills too short too often and then recut them a bit longer and sanded them to a comfortable length so they didn't push the bulwarks our of square. I then sanded the sills inboard and outboard. #3. I added the sills to the port side then sanded the them inboard and outboard. I kept in mind Chuck's warning to maintain a smooth curve and fair the work as you go. I then measured, cut and glued the lintels, port and starboard, measuring 15/32"up from the top of each sill. Because the sills had a decent run, the lintels came out OK. The lintels were then sanded inboard and outboard, watching that the bulwark extensions at the cap rail didn't get too thin, and trying to maintain the contours of the bulwark extensions along the length of the lintels. #4. Then things got a bit dicier. I clamped the port template that Chuck was kind enough to send and saw that the bulkheads were nearly spot on. However the starboard template indicated that the bulwarks were out of square. (For all of the effort I put into squaring the bulkheads to the bulkhead former, I could have done better. I think that the error occurred at the filler-block stage. I measured the thickness of the fillers between each bulkhead on the port and starboard side of the bulkhead, keeping those measurements constant. Instead, I should have measured the distance between each bulkhead, port and starboard, from a consistent place, for example from the tip of the stern at the center of the bulkhead former. I must have made a measurement error in one of the first filler blocks on the starboard side and simply repeated that error as I completed the filler blocks on that side. With this error, the vertical gun-port frames on the starboard side would be way off measurement. However, I took great solace in Chuck's repeated message that adjustments to the vertical frames were easily made. So, onward and upward. . . #5. I marked the vertical frames on the port-side sills (the accurate side) where the template indicated they should be placed. The vertical pieces were measured, cut and glued, making sure that the vertical frames were 15/32" apart, top and bottom. This is where the adjustment comes in. I ignored the starboard template. Instead, I pinned a long piece of dental floss (it doesn't stretch) to the center of the tip of the stem. (You can just see the floss at the bow.) I then used the floss to measure the distance from the pin to each port-side vertical frame. I then swung the floss to the starboard side and marked the same place where the port-side vertical frame was placed. Hopefully, the port and starboard gun-port frames will now be exactly opposite one another. #6. The template (with the sills and lintels cut away) was re-clamped to the port side (the accurate side). The placement of the vertical sweep port frames was marked on the sills and the horizontal sweep port frames were added, port and starboard, 1/8" above the sills. The horizontal frames were then sanded inboard and outboard. I paid close attention to keeping the contour of the bulwark extensions along the entire length of the horizontal sweep-port frames. #7. I measured, cut and glued the vertical sweep-port frames on the port side where marked. (I used a small piece of 1/8" x 1/8" strip as a tool to make sure that the sweep ports were square.) The vertical frames for the sweep ports were then added to the starboard side using the same dental-floss measuring method to make sure that the sweep ports will be opposite one another, port and starboard. More sanding until the sweep port frames blended into the gun port framing. I then made framing for the four sheaves ( a la Dubz)--one each above bulkheads D and 4, port and starboard. (The sheave frames are just visible in pic #8.) #8. More sanding and fairing. The framing now feels smooth to the touch and looks good to the eye. I sure hope that it is up to snuff when planking begins. On to the stern frame. . .
  17. Hi Larry. I've been building Syren (Build log: EatWycliffe). Coincidentally, I was just wondering about where to purchase a better quality carronade barrel than the ones supplied with the kit. If you would share the info you supplied to KLarsen, I'd be appreciative. Thanks much. Ed
  18. Thanks for the likes Sal, Bob, Gahm , Hermanous, Riksgewijs and Gundorph. Much appreciated! Very happy to have the company. Still working on the gun port framing. Sanding the frames is almost as good as going to the gym. Hermanous and Riksgewijs, welcome to Model Ship World. It is a wonderful community that not only builds model ships but also builds good fellowship around the world. You will thoroughly enjoy it. Ed
  19. Just completed Chapters 1 and 2 (bulkheads, fairing and lower deck) and began C.3 (gun port framing). Below are 11 thumbnails showing progress to date: #1. I tried to temporarily add the false keel using Elmer's repositionable poster stick. It worked well for a few days, but fell off. The false keel is still unattached. Happy to have a suggestion for a temporary glue or tape. Maybe I should just protect the keel and stem with blue tape and add the false keep permanently after coppering the lower hull. #2 and #3. Began placing the BHs in their slots on the BF. I used every trick I could find on others' build logs to keep the BHs perpendicular to the BF. That included, builder's squares, right angle fixtures, calipers and 2 1/2" pieces of right angle aluminum runners clamped to the BHs and the BF. #4 and #5. To be sure that the BF didn't warp, I made the traditional jig from scrap lumber to hold the keel straight and tight while the filler blocks were added. The jig was less stable than I think it should have been, but I figured that I could get the same no-warp effect if the keel was secured in my Amati hull vise. It seem to have worked--no warp. #6 and #7. The filler blocks are 1" x 2" balsa. I was really careful to measure the width of the filler blocks so that each BH is the same distance from the prior BH, both port and starboard, at a point as close to the BH extensions as I could measure. Similarly, I was careful not to make the fillers so wide that the fit between BHs was too tight and would throw the BHs out of alignment. I was particularly careful to be sure that BH 26 was perpendicular to the BF since the accuracy of all filler block measurements depended on that BH being perpendicular and seated properly in its slot. #8. The filler blocks look OK. The BHs were faired a bit before adding the filler blocks. Some of this preliminary fairing, inboard and outboard, was done prior to gluing the BHs permanently and a bit more after gluing the BHs but before adding the filler blocks. With the filler blocks added, it was time to finish the outboard fairing, fair the inboard BHs a lot more and add the lower deck. #9 and 10. I completed the outboard fairing and 80% of the inboard fairing and added the lower deck. The fairing process took many hours and lots of testing with planks and battens to be sure that the runs were as smooth and graceful as I could get them. for much of the fairing I used a 3/4" x 7" nail file purchased in the beauty-care (yep, I swallowed my pride) section of the local supermarket. The File was a great combination of stiff and flexible so I could sand two or three BHs at a time and help keep the curve of the hull. The lower deck was faux caulked using the artist's pencil method. I blackened both edges of each plank. I first applied Minwax pre-stain conditioner and then, a la Augie, a mix of Minwax Golden Oak (1/3) and Minwax Natural Oak (2/3) for the stain. I finished the deck with Wipe-On Poly. I like the look and will probably use that combination on the main deck. #11. It is now time to start C.3. (Framing the Gun Ports). But, before I do, a tip of the hat and great thanks to Chuck. The MS templates that came with the kit were out of scale. I sent Chuck a plea for a copy of the prototype templates and within less than one day, they were sitting on my computer. Chuck raises integrity to a new level. The test batten for the gun port sills ran nearly spot on at each of the middle "template" marks on the BH extensions. I made only a 1/16" adjustment at a couple of BHs. Next installment--the gunport framing.
  20. I'm just starting C.3 of the practicum. It's several years later and MS never corrected the templates. I can cut out the starboard template from Sheet Two. My special relations are non-existent. If I flip the the starboard template and place it on the port side of the ship, will the framing line up correctly? Alternatively, Chuck are the PDF templates still available? Thanks, Ed (EdatWycliffe)
  21. Thanks for the kind words and "likes" Gundorph, Bob, Sal, Ryland, Gahm, Dubz, MD11Pilot, and Augie. It's real nice to have so many visitors in my small shipyard. Q: Does anyone have a suggestion for "taping" the false keel to the stem slot and keel? Regards, Ed
  22. Looks great, Gundorph. You are really progressing fast. I'm much slower in my progress--not yet done with C.1. Just filed my first detailed log entry. Regards, Ed
  23. The build began on Monday 9-28-15. After months of rigging Fair American, I forgot how much fun it is to work with wood again. Below are 11 thumbnails showing progress to date. #1 The obligatory photo of Syren still in the box. Parts were checked and counted for. I also wrote a list of the sections and parts to be from the boxwood and holly from Crown Timberyard. The stern will be the first try. (Incidentally, Jason at Crown sent a couple of pieces of beautiful pear wood. I'll definitely try to work them into the build.) #2 The rabbet strip after soaking for 1/2 hour affixed to the bulkhead former for shaping. #3 The rabbet strip actually kept its shape after drying while affixed to the BF. #4 The numbered and lettered bulkheads were tested in their proper slots. All but one were tight requiring a lot of standing. I chose to sand the BHs at the top where they contact the BF rather than sand the slots. That seemed easier. The BHs will likely need a bit more sanding when it's time to glue them permanently. The BHs were also sanded a bit to remove most of the char from the laser--except I'll wait to clean up those few BHs with the the laser bevel lines right up against the edge of the BH until after they are beveled. #5 The rabbet strip has been glued to the BF with care to keep the strip centered. #6 Shows the rabbet at the bow. #7 Shows the rabbet at the stern. I think that the rabbets were done correctly, but won't be certain until planking. A little more sanding may be needed at the keel so that the plank runs smoothly. #8 The stem removed from its board, the char cleaned and the knee tapered. #9 First potential problem: I tested the figurehead on the stem knee and peaked are Chapter 10 (Head Rails and Figurehead) to see if there will be enough room for the lower head rail. There may not be. See thumbnail #10. #10 The figurehead test fitted on the stem knee compared to the figurehead on the stem knee as shown on the prototype. The prototype figurehead is different and may have a deeper curve at the back so that the tail is higher above the bobstay holes. I mau have to deepen the hollow on the back of the figurehead when the time comes so that her tail is a bit higher on the knee. Does that sound right? #11 the stem has been glued to the BF again with care to keep the rabbet equal on both sides. Either the BF or the stem was a bit warped so I used a lot of clamps to keep the stem centered. Off to the gym while the glue dries. Retirement is wonderful! Regards, Ed
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