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You never disappoint with sources, Kirill. I will be taking a look at Ab’s rigging schematics. Your point about Marquardt is well-taken; his illustrations are particularly helpful, but picking out those elements that apply to my time period is a little tricky. The filling seems to have been an element of French practice. Below, it is a little obscured by the gunport lids, but you can see that this area has been filled flush with the wales because the preventer plates span that gap and the rings need to be flush with that outer surface:
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John, do you have the complete illustrations for the upper and bottom of these three quarter drawings? Do you also happen to have the bow and stern views. I’ve never seen these two before.
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I’ve been off the forum, but not completely inactive. My new work table has arrived and I love it! Solid Birch. Gateleg. Six drawers of storage. I have also taken exclusive proprietorship over my repro Lancaster County Fanback - a chair that I, alone, love. Arrayed along the back are all of the rigging specific books I have acquired and borrowed. Among the latter are Marquardt’s tome on 18th Century rigging, as well as a reader-friendly binder expansion of Anderson’s Rigging in the Days of the Spritsail Topmast, both of which were lent to me by Dan Pariser - thanks, again, Dan! I like to use Anderson as my baseline, particularly the earlier edition, because he calls out Continental and particularly French differences. Simultaneously, I keep pace through Lees, Marquardt and the binder version of Anderson, which is actually the later edition that focusses specifically on English practice. Simultaneous to all of that, I am referencing my photo library of models to reference fair leads and really see what all of this is supposed to look like. One model that has been particularly helpful as a reference is the following of L’Ambiteaux, in 1:96. The photography expands in high definition and you can really see where it all leads to. The full-site version has many more pictures than the mobile version: https://www.modelships.de/Ambitieux/Photos_Ambitieux.htm Because my knowledge of rigging is so limited, this has always felt to me like the most daunting aspect of the build. Gradually, though, as I follow Anderson’s advice and read through the entire book before starting, I am developing a vocabulary and understanding of what all of the lines do. Slowly, I am beginning to see how to map out my belay points. Of course, I have been the benefactor of A LOT of extra help, here, with John Ott being completely open about his sources and his own belay plan and line-scale corollaries. Michael D (72Nova) has been exceedingly gracious in sharing his rigging techniques in very small scale. And Kirill has also been exceedingly generous in sharing photographic resources and his own knowledge. Thank you to all and many others! I think, as I get into it, I will come to enjoy the rigging process. I am, nonetheless, determined to make a passably good job of it. In the meantime, before I could strop deadeyes and fabricate chains and preventer plates, I needed to fill-in between the middle deck wales at the fore and main channel locations: Work continues slowly on the Africa figure. I am in the process of defining shapes and volumes. All of my edge tools were pretty dull, though, so I took a little time to brighten their edges. Little by little, we are getting there. Thanks for looking in! Best, Marc
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Above all else, the rig has to make logical, working sense.
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I agree with you Kirill, on the strangeness of it. I would posit the following: as long as the fairleads for the fall are sensible and not crossing other lines, and the structure of the rig matches it’s intended purpose, then the particular belay type is of less importance.
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I don’t think one can go too far wrong with pinrails from about 1690, forward, on French ships.
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That is dissertation- level historical writing, John. You manage to resurrect these long-dead individuals as men of a particular background with their own motivations. It all makes for excellent reading, while also contextualizing the magnitude of SR2 and her importance to the fleet. I have long wondered what your particular process was for decorating the upper works. Now that I understand it - my hat’s off to you for engineering such a brilliant execution of these details. The resin-casting of ornaments really was a laborious undertaking, but I have never personally regretted the effort, and I am guessing that you feel much the same. You could have passed with just the decal representations of the frieze ornaments, but casting them in 3D brings the whole thing to life. I am living my best SR Renaissance with so many excellent models of her, in progress!
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It seems logical to me that the lower gallery tier would be one continuously open space; at the aft end, there will be the functional seat of ease, while on the forward end, there would be a removable false window panel concealing the gallery gunport. I also think it likely that, within the gallery, the port would be equipped with a water-tight port lid. In the event that the gallery is heavily damaged, or washed away in a rough seaway, there would still be a barrier for keeping sea water out of the hull. The entry doorway to the gallery would have a door, for the same preventative purpose, so the gun port would have a port lid. So, the question then becomes a matter of display; do you want to show that there is a gunport hidden behind a false window panel, or do you want to present the un-interrupted facade of the gallery, and presume that the viewer understands there would be concealed gun ports within the gallery? It seems unlikely to me that the French would disrupt the continuity of their design with a missing panel in the gallery. I suspect that this modeler was indicating in a stylized way that there is an active cannon port behind this middle false window panel: Although, it would make more sense for that port to be placed in the panel space to the right, as you are indicating with Le Fulminant.
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Nice cliff-hanger on the Velez Malaga tale of intrigue! I like your margin plank solution to the deck problem. I have also, lately, become interested in certain instances where modelers eschew priming; in this instance, the color of the moulded plastic is actually an ally to the desired effect. The decks really do look brilliant. I’m looking forward to the next installment in this serial build log - clog, leak and spit away!
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In English, the wales are the double bands of thicker timber that follow the upward sheer of the ship, often crossing over the aft-most ports. The French call these timbers the precients. The “quarter galleries” encompass the entirety of the lightly framed side structures, which include the functional seats of ease - usually on the middle deck level, as well as the upper and lower finishing. The French call these structures, bouteille for their resemblance to perfume bottles.
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This is my current project. It is an extreme kit bash of the Heller Soleil Royal. I have reconstructed the entire ornamental program from scratch, in styrene. Yes, it will ultimately be a waterline diorama. There are a few of us doing these transformation projects on the site. This is the reason that your Fulminant project is so interesting to me. I am very interested in broadening the scope of modeling subjects, by developing a better understanding of this less well documented period in French naval architecture.
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By the time of the refit, in 1688, First rates would have been single-reefed on the fore and mainsail, and double-reefed on tue topsails. Aesthitically, I might strike a balance between .4, which seems a little short, and .5.
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I am hoping to have him print lanterns for me.
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This guy, Kris from Poland is doing exactly that:
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I, if I may be so bold, will judge that this was a solid move. One issue with the Tanneron model is that the forward sheer of the lower wales is a little aggressive. Heller copied this even more aggressively. lowering the head a little, even if it means submerging the gammoning a little, helps to minimize this exaggeration. Well done! On a separate note, some (myself included), have taken issue with this or that assertion from Jean Claude Lemineur. However, he is the only one to delve so deeply into the murky waters of 1680 and beyond. Over the years, and particularly in my early state of broad ignorance, he was always a very gracious correspondent. Everything that he does, and John does and other builders do, pushes the conversation forward, ever so incrementally. Let’s all keep going, sharing, discussing, and trying to put the puzzle together. My hope is to build a broad enough basis of research so that one could reasonably build a model of La Royal Therese - an example of which that still does not exist on any public forum that I know of.
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I can definitely relate to the “middle-class wage earner” statement, but your job sounds a lot more interesting than mine.
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It all looks as though it grew there like the crystalline perfection of some fantastic geode.
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