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  1. The decks on the Helena were scrubbed with a concoction of Salt Water Soap, Scouring Compound, Boiler Compound and I don't know what else. It was mix the day before in a galvanized Garbage Can and let to work over night, the can came out shiny. That was what the decks were scrubbed with ahead of the Holy Stone. The stones were a sandstone brick, oversized like some fire brick. A half brick was used, a dimple was chipped into one side so the end of a swab handle had a socket to ride in. Wet down, scrub using long handled scrub brushes then holy stone the wet decks. Seamen would line up on a board, place their stone on it and their swab handle in the socket, bend over and grab the handle with one hand, reach over with the other and grab the forearm and hold the handle against the shoulder at the same time. a Chantey was used to keep the timing,'one a rock, 2 a rock, 3 and a 4 a rock building up to the number of strokes wanted, then Shift a board was entered into the chant and start the count over. 10-12 men could holy stone fairly quickly, most chose to be bare foot with pants rolled up. Salt water was used from the fire mains, fresh water on a Steam Ship is not used to clean weather decks. Our decks were Teak. Can find some data on line to fill in and add and perhaps correct what I observed.
  2. Vast difference between how commercial and military vessels are maned. That difference is reflected in upkeep , maintenance and appearance. A military vessel depicted as weathered and worn out would reflect a long time in combat or sickness, a long voyage of a military vessel maned with enough men to fight her would still be clean, painted and taring kept up. Sail and lines may even have been taken down and drug to whiten them and prior to being seen by a Senor or Pears in port, a Skipper would insist in a through cleanup and paint touch up took place, even today. Depicting a military vessel rusty and dirty is not what you would have found in history except, after long hours standing at general quarters or exceptionally heavy weather right up to the harbor entrance. Military Store ships would have large crews to defend her, to handle the stores quickly and have the crew to do fleet maneuvers, unlike a small crewed commercial vessel sailing alone and watching expenses, even then when on long voyages, often long runs without handling sail would take place if weather allowed, maintenance would have been the rule of the day. Poor maintenance and extreme weathered appearance reflected hard use and neglect, no exceptions. If that is what you are modeling, weather them hard, if not, go easy on the weathering or do none and let time create the look. My opinion, each his own. That Troller, ( Cape Race, wood hull ), I rode to Alaska and back after fishing for 6 months, looked as good the day we returned to Belingham as the day we left, we worked the boat long hours and hard, her decks were painted haze grey.
  3. Yes, unless you use a step to break the C/L, then use the same radius on both sides as usual. jud
  4. Like a highway, the crown is specified for the nominal width. Narrow the road and not adjust the crown will result in a very high crown. You wish to move water from the deck, pick the widest part and determine how much crown you need. With the chord distance from outboard to outboard and the perpendicular distance up at C/L to the crown, you can compute the radius of the circular curve needed, now use that radius for all your deck beams, just use shorter segments of that curve as you move forward and aft from the widest point in the deck. The rate of change will remain constant the length of the hull and there will be no twisting of the deck boards as you plank that deck. That is how I would do it, but keep in mind, I have never built a ship, but I have designed and staked for construction lots of roads during my time as a Land Surveyor. jud
  5. Looking again at the Haul-out and noticed how the leads to the outboard Capstans was lead to the outboard side, thereby minimizing the angle at the fair-leads. All Capstans turned clockwise except for the one where the duds and do it backwards men, were utilized to their full potential. Do it backward, reminds me of an early adventure I am going to make you suffer through the telling. Photo showing the path of a snack potato, I had grabbed from the spud locker and slipped when getting rid of it, bounced off the overhead director hatch, and clattered around the bridge wings generating some verbal expressions, while I closed the hatch and trained the director back amid ships. That spud being the loyal buddy it had became, unerringly struck the Captain on the head. Had to own up when the repair party was going to be restricted until the guilty came forward, repair party was stationed near the Spud Locker on the 01 level. Didn't injure the Captain and it was laughed off when all found the guilty one and what had happened. Never swiped a snack spud again.
  6. The Teak decks on the Helena and other navy ships were Holy stoned once a week using a concoction of boiler cleaning compound, scouring powder, salt water soap and bleach mixed the evening before in a large galvanized garbage can and left to bubble and burp over night. Shined the can and bleached the decks, sometimes they were almost white. This photo was aboard the USS Helena, CA 75, Port side amidships, compartment behind crewmen was a gun director radar room, above it was a 3" 50 magazine and above that a 3" 50 Gun, 'Mt 34 '. To the right was a deck house with a 5" 38 loading machine on top and the Whaleboat on the left was the duty lifeboat underway. These decks are due for a scrubbing and holy stoning. Blowing BoilerTubes would darken any deck.
  7. I used my 2D surviving software to generate data and rectangular coordinates in the following format, Alpha Numeric Point Numbers, X, Y, Z and descriptor to produce DFX drawings of Each Frame for my LST. I obtained my Z coordinates by rotating my drawing and manipulating the X and Y coordinates using different point numbers to keep it separate, then manually entered the Z component in my main data base. Question, these coordinates are useful to me using my 2D software, were I to upgrade to 3D software, is this data base and resulting 2D DXF drawings usable in such a program or do 3D programs use something other than a rectangular coordinate system for endpoints? jud
  8. Now, just leave her and her crew in peace.
  9. Amazes me to see this idea of ageing decks, most of the models are of warships with large crews that need to be kept busy, so sweeping, washing and scrubbing supplemented by Holly Stoning was common. Saltwater wash downs acts as a bleaching agent and merchant ships had painted decks. These decks are on a Heavy Cruiser, kept white by salt water scrub downs with weekly holy Stoning using a cleaning agent made up of salt water, scouring powder, bleach and boiler compound, mixed the night before in a garbage can, which came out shinny. The decks in these 2 photos are 3 years old, they are not gray. The one looks like the decks have not been cleaned up after blowing tubes, they were seldom that dirty.
  10. Suspect you are measuring the chord between the bulkheads, then using that for your planks, but the planks need to span the arc of the curve, a greater distance than the chord from bulkhead to bulkhead. Seems small, but is accumulative, especially as the curve radius decrease around the bows and stern. jud
  11. Powder monkey by gun of U.S.S. New Hampshire off Charleston, S.C.
  12. The aft Port Lids look like they depict the swing resulting from the shape of the aft hull. Cat Heads, need more of the plans to make the call that is a Cat Head, you probably have good reason to identify it as such and what is there is not a part of the forward rig. Cat Heads have some necessary considerations, one; where the Anchor could be let go from to clear the Hull, two; where it could be hooked by the Cat head falls when hoisting through the Hawse Hole and the Cable relieved of the Anchor weight, three; where the supporting timbers are attached to the Hull considering Deck layout of the Deck furniture necessary to work the ship. The drop point is somewhat fixed by the Hull and Hawse Pipe, how the Cat Head is attached is controlled by the layout of deck fixtures and construction of the ship, put it where it is secure and clear of sailing rigging, Different construction layouts will force change. If it works, remember the saying, "More than one way to skin a Cat". The Star of India is using her Cat Head for two purposes as can be seen in this photo. jud
  13. The destruction of of HMS Barham.

    3 Torpedo hits rolled her over, the 4th might have hit the magazine, no one knows. Less than a 1/3 of her crew survived.
  14. What I would expect to find aboard such a vessel would be a rotating and quickly removable stack with maybe a half grate hatch cover with the other half lying alongside the hatch or lashed to the mast. Might find some lines and poles for an awning over the open hatch. When you batten down, you want water to stay out and the covers to be secure, not having the galley stove lit, would be of little concern, eat biscuit and drink grog. jud Part of a day in the Brown Water navy, 1968.
  15. Think were I doing this for real, it would be two pieces. One cone shaped with the hole for the vent through the center and nailed to the hatch grate. The other piece would be attached to the vent, also cone shaped to fit over the first cone and allowed to rotate as needed. Rigged to come apart quickly and the vent and grate replaced with a hatch cover that could be tarped and battened down. jud
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