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  1. Favorite old timer quotes

    The most challenging seam for a ship's carpenter to caulk, or "Pay", was the junction of the upper deck waterways and the deck planking. It was unflatteringly known as "The Devil". The pitch used for the job also had to be very hot to do the job correctly, and with minimum labor. So the expression for an extremely difficult task in the 19th century was "There is the Devil to Pay and no pitch hot!" Today, we just say "There is the Devil to Pay", but we think it just means give satan money as a bribe.
  2. Who is your favorite musician or band?

    Pat Benatar! My first real live concert in 1978. I fell in love!
  3. Brittany Sloops

    Wasn't Brittany Sloops a popular singer in the 1990's? "Whoops, I did it again ..." Thanks for the interesting links, Dee Dee, especially the Irish one!
  4. The subsciption frigate New York and other details

    No, seven real windows, not counting the fake ones on the back of the quarter galleries. Seven windows and eight transom timbers. There is an unidentified gun deck framing plan in the Fox Papers showing the top-down view of eight counter timbers, which may be either the Chesapeake or the Philadelphia, (both of which he designed). Contemporary stern views of the USF United States (built in Philadelphia as well) also show seven real windows. But is the stern engraving of the Phillie accurate?
  5. The subsciption frigate New York and other details

    Charlie, looks at the wood-cut that Capt Armstrong was kind enough to post above. At first, I saw six windows, but on further study, I see seven, with the starboard-most window being kind of small, because the engraver ran out of room, working from left to right, and so had to smush it.
  6. Rattlesnake Revisited

    John Miller writes from his "Early American Ships": "The 16-gun privateer ship Rattlesnake was built in Plymouth, Massachusetts, in 1779 or 1780, allegedly to the designs of maverick designer John Peck. She was owned by John Andrews and others of Salem, and her captain was Mark Clark. She mounted anywhere between 14 and 20 carriage guns at various times, and she usually carried about 85 men. The earliest commission found on her is dated June 12, 1781, but she may have been commissioned earlier. One privateer with the name Rattlesnake is reported to have captured more than $1 million of British shipping on a single cruise in the Baltic, but whether it was this Rattlesnake or not, we do not know.. Our Rattlesnake was captured off the American coast in 1781 by the brand new British 44-gun ship Assurance, and was renamed Cormorant. She was taken to England and her lines were drawn ... It took the British bureaucracy a long time to realize that they already had a ship called the Cormorant already in the Royal Navy, so she was renamed Rattlesnake once more in August, 1783, after the war was over. Chapelle says she was sold out of the service in 1784, but British records indicate that she was not sold out until 10 October, 1786." Miller states that the conjectural idea that the Rattlesnake was sold into French service, originated with a European Model kit company. At any rate, a privateer vessel built in haste, during wartime, of rot-prone New England white oak no less, could not have lasted for very long, so it is doubtful that there is any real Privateer Le Tonnant connection, nor would there have been any service life left in her after 1786. [My opinion.] Spelling and grammatical errors corrected!
  7. American sailing warships with no plans or records

    The ships are the same in name only! Thanks Talos.
  8. Them Old Jokes

    Found this on Facebook ... https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26239335_10212739713740860_6089773831684243670_n.jpg?oh=8520924c1d5a8c9d319e5ec3457189a6&oe=5AE8356C
  9. She is unusual in that her gun-ports are above the level above the quarter galleries, instead of at that level, which would never have been done in a naval-built vessel, but was seen on paintings of merchant ships at the time. I think that the above "18-gun ship" was a merchantman with good sailing qualities that the navy was considering purchasing. Had they done so, ports would have been cut at the gun deck level, to lower the center of gravity, and those above would have been removed. On many merchant ships, cargo would have been stowed at the level of a naval ship's lower gun-deck. I getting sick of writing 'gundeck' and having auto-correct substitute 'gunlock'!
  10. I always wondered if the above unidentified 20-gunner might not have been the USS Merrimack of 1798, since her body plan and profile kinda resembles the Essex, and William Hackett built both ships a year apart. Few dimensions survive for the Merrimack, if I recall correctly.
  11. You might want to contact the Peabody and Essex Museum in Salem, MA, for additional information about the Adams. They hold the Josiah Fox Papers in their collections, and all of his correspondence has been helpfully typed out, and sorted by individual ship. The vertical beam measurements are usually the larger of the two. 113 feet could have been her length of keel measurement?
  12. 1. The list was compiled before the Adams was lengthened, c. 1807, I believe, as she would have been awfully short else wise! The Essex was rebuilt in 1807-9, and the Adams was begun before she was completed, according to the correspondence on the former. 2. This was the width of the gunports, which ought to have corresponded to the 12-pounders she carried early in her career. 3. The 'forward' was the 'forward perpendicular', i.e., the rabbet, as you state, at the level of the gun-deck. 4. The total number of the Adams' beams at that deck level, and each's cross-sectional dimensions. Was the Adams built to a Fox design, or a Humphries design? I always thought the latter, as a possible reduced New York, but I believe the question has not been settled. Wait until Talos wakes up and has had his coffee. He's sure to know, if anyone does.
  13. A ship of 1500 tons would need enough 'spoke-space', if you will, for four men in rough weather, if needed. A single wheel wouldn't give enough purchase for a ship of the USS Constitution's class. She displaced nearly enough water as a British 74. The USS Wasp of 1806, however, is thought to have had a single wheel, but she was only 500 tons.
  14. Still waiting on volume 2 (of 4 planned) of "Vasa: The Archeology of a Swedish Warship of 1628"!

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