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Hi fellow builders, After 2 years of trying to build the HMS Victory, using the Caldercraft kit I think it's time to show some of my efforts on this forum. I live in Utrecht, The Netherlands, and I regard this as a 10-year project. Building is the fun part, time is of no essence as the fun is much less when the model is finished (speaking for myself). I chose the HMS Victory for several reasons: - The Caldergraft kit is essentially historically correct, although some research is still necessary. - The kit is technically very good, most parts fit without much adjustment - The "original" 1805 Travalgar version of the ship can still be visited in Portmouth and plenty of photo's circulate on the internet, therefore building a historically "correct" model is easier than of many other ships. - Many books can be found on the subject like Longridge, McKay and others. over time I collected a (very) small library on the subject. - There are some build logs of the Victory on the internet of excellent builders, notably Gil Middleton. In some instances my choices differ from theirs, but I will explain my choices as much as possible. In the weeks to follow I wil show the progress so far, which is as far as the 30 cannons on the Upper Gun Deck. Some basic facts about the HMS Victory: The HMS Victory was (and is) the flagship of the English Navy which defeated the combined French-Spanish fleet during the Battle of Trafalgar. Admiral Lord Nelson was mortally wounded during battle by a French sniper, but England won the battle. The HMS Victory is the 5th ship with this name and the largest by far. The ship was ordered in 1758. It is a First Rate Ship with more than 100 cannons. The design of the ship was completely devoted to firepower In 1805 (Trafalgar) ther were: - on the Lower Gun Deck: 30 cannons for 32-pound balls - on the Middle Gun Deck: 28 cannons for 24-pound balls - on the Upper Gun Deck: 30 cannons for 12-pound balls - on the Quarterdeck: 12 cannons for 12-pound balls - on the Forecastle: 2 cannons voor 12-pound balls and 2 carronades for 68-ponds balls(!!) The total length of the ship is about 70 meter, water displacement more than 2000 tons and almost 5500 square meter of sail can be carried. Some other numbers: 40km rope in the rigging, 1400 blocks, 300 tons of "potable" water, 50 tons of coals, 20 tons of wood, 50 tons of beer, etc. Index First and second planking Wales Gunports Coppering Upper gun deck, cannons and fittings Quarter Deck Forecastle Bow Poop Deck Stern Fascia Quarter Galleries Hull details First an impression of the progress so far. I will try not to bore you with every individual bulkhead and plank. Details will be provided on request (of course). -
I started bashing a Corel 1:98 Victory cross section a while back, but took a break. I'm now back to work on it and wondering about the historical accuracy of a couple of 'pseudo' decks/shelves located below the Orlop deck. The original model is quite lacking, as sold by Corel, and the Diagostini Model Space verson looks quite sexy (that's the visual reference that I followed), however. After purchasing a copy of Longridge's 'Anatomy of Nelson's Ships', and getting back to the build, I'm not seeing those two 'pseudo' decks depicted on either the side elevation, plan #1, nor the cross section on page 63. Did Victory actually have these two platforms, or are they just 'eye-candy', created by a model manufacturer, for 'looks' and to promote sales? I wish I was more into actual historical accuracy when I started this model, but I wasn't. Now it 'Is' what it is and I need to make the best of what I started... 🤔 *NOTE*: The Orlop deck, nor the lower pump house/shot locker are glued in place, yet. This is why the Orlop deck does not appear to be sitting proper at the hull. I have a lot of detail work to go before securing that deck in place....
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Hi all, I was just wondering, is Caldrcraft (1:72 version) the go to kit for Victory freaks? Is it the most detailed/accurate on the market? Indeed, is it the largest? Anyone know of any others to rival Caldercraft's version or any planned by other manufacturers in the pipeline? Cheers Chris
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Hello all, it's time to begin my first build log, of HMS Victory in 1:200 scale. This will be the 3rd sailing vessel I have built, though my previous 2 were Revel Plastic kits of the Cutty Sark and the CSS Alabama, and both were several decades ago while I was in high school. I've been lurking here in MSW for a couple months now once I decided I wanted to pick up the hobby again and wanted to build in wood this time, and have been dropping hints to the Admiral that all along. So last week for Christmas she presented me with this kit, proud as can be. I just wish she had taken a closer look to my wish list on Amazon instead! But as a fist time kit to learn new skills and techniques on, I can't complain. To start off, I am not sure who makes this kit, it came from Amazon from a seller called TWOBOYS and as far as I can tell the manufacturer is Western Wooden Sailboat. The parts sheets are die cut, I thought, as I don't see much char on the cut edges, but as you can see in some of the pics below, of the stern windows and deck grates, the detail is pretty good at this scale. Sadly, the plans and instructions are seriously lacking. I have basically 4 8.5x11 pages of very basic plans and directions to work from. I have tried searching online for the MFG, but have had no luck locating anything with greater detail. Luckily I have numerous online resources that were not available 30 years ago for a few tips and tricks when I run into a road block, and a number of Victory build logs that I can review also. What I do not have at all is a rigging and sail plan, but I think I can work this out, at least well enough for this first attempt. So, after checking each parts sheet for missing parts or damage, I popped the false keel out, and starting to dry fit the bulkheads. The fit and finish it pretty good with most of the bulkheads fitting snugly, but not to tight that I have to sand anything to make it fit. Special thanks to Lazy Saint for his encouragement to start this build log. As mentioned I have been lurking for a little while now and following his build closely as it is very similar to what I am trying to build here. Wish me luck as I dive in and see what I can make of this kit. Hoser
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Hello after pausing the construction of the HMS ANSON 64-gun vessel, I open the shipyard for the construction of the first-class vessel HMS VICTORY 1765 following the drawings of the Greenwich NMM in 1/48 scale. A greeting
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Hello, I ve recently started with this kit. It is my first scalemodel sail ship (actually second model after more than 26 years pause) , so I am not sure what is reasonably possible in this scale (and what I will be able to do), but this is what is fun on such project. I have no ambitions to finish fast, just have fun by trying various approaches, inventing new ones, remaking things to achieve better results, etc...I have not much free time in my life (small daughter), so it will probably take lot of time. But it does not matter, goal is to have a fun and create something nice. Currently I started working on the hull and I am studying various resources (huge thanks to Shipman) including this forum (there are indeed some inspiring builds). I also bought veneer deck, some rigging accesories (https://www.hismodel.com/articles-category-38), some small resin parts (https://scalewarship.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1303&search=victory&description=true) and photo-etch (https://scalewarship.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1292 and https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234932536-scalewarships-hms-victory-etch-set/). I am not sure I will use everything from these photo etches, for example hammocks looks unnatural (everything too straight), wooden gratings have mostly higher number of holes than real ship, so they dont look well, etc...Well, I will see, I have already some ideas. First I have to do some small POCs, what is feasible and what not. -
Hi All, I started this model last Christmas, sorry I have been so long in starting a log , but I was alsostill building the 'Norfolk'. Then the kit went back on the shelf while I finished the 'Norfolk' and I contemplated a problem I was having with the planking, that lasted for about 5 months!! I finally got her out of storage a couple of weeks ago and have been slowly building again in between house renovations. I have taken heaps of photos so please be patient while I upload them to catch up to where I am currently with the build. I would like to make a few comments about the kit. The timber and laser cut parts are all of good quality, however all of the planks including the deck planks are walnut this makes for a very dark interior on an open model. I think they should have supplied a lighter timber for the deck planks as a contrast. all of the fittings are of high quality material although the bow figuere head does seem a bit large and akward. There were a few parts missing which I have replaced. I also have brought some extra blocks and eye pins so I can fully rig the guns and some heart blocks to replace the 3 hole blocks they supplied for the forestay. I intend to fully rig the guns on the middle and upper gun deck and to rig at least the breeching ropes on the lower gun deck. My plan is to fit the middle and upper gun deck after the hull has been completed so I can rig the cannons on each deck before fitting the deck above. We will see how that plan works out Here are some pic's of the kit I will post some more pics later Enjoy
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After a longtime out of the hobby I thought I'd ease myself back in by doing something simple so I picked the Corel Victory cross section 😎🤣 So obligatory pictures of the box , full sized plan and references.
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Along with victory cross section, that is almost done, the time has come to start HMS Victory. Corel's kit is a bit old (at least the one I have) and probably I will have to make a lot of improvements/modifications while building the hull, I have noticed that many parts did not fit very well, hull beams are looking quite old and dry I had to fill the gaps almost in every hull beam
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hi guys and gals, after many many to many years of following i have decided to post a build log. i bought this kit in 2006 along with the snake and diana. i finished the diana last fall and started the victory in march after completing the duke william. to date i have lower gundeck, dummy barrel strips, stem, keelson and frames attached to the keel. i am working on beveling bow and stern frames. as soon as i figure out how to post some pictures i will and once i do please feel free to comment on any and everything you wish. thanks, mort- 60 replies
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Hello all, And yes, another Victory build! Welcome all. My apologies to Amati, but I couldn't wait any longer for their Victory. So I ordered the Caldercraft / Jotika instead as a present to myself on the occasion on my upcoming 40th work anniversary in August. And boy, she is big and heavy. A box filled with 15 kilo's (33 lb) of all kinds of goodies.
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Born in Plymouth and brought up in Pompey. 6 generations of Royal Navy on both sides of my family (all mainly Chief POs, ranging from stores to engineers) but I let the side down when I broke the traditions and didn't become a matelot (mainly because I wanted to fly harriers but got diagnosed as colour blind at 11, so that was out, and lost the heart to do anything else RN related!). So.....I became an accountant, via a trip to Uni to get a Marine Engineering degree....what else! Live in "Admiralty House" (now I'm 40 and have my own nice enough to merit the name), prints of HMS Victory and HMS Royal Sovereign adorn the entrance hallway, stairs and my office, so doing all the "right" things. However, I've always wanted to build a big, wooden, model of "Vicky" as a nod to my Naval heritage and all those family members who have served before. Call it my "apology", if you like. So, my Grandad (stoker/engineer, turned Seawolf programme leader post-Navy), then 81, bought me the Billings Boats kit in a "get on with it then cos I want to see it finished" prompt. This was 2 years ago and I'd made some good progress but it stalled what with the general time-constraints of life (work, kids, divorce, re-marriage etc etc) but I want to kick-start it again and get going. Partly prompted by the fact that same Grandad, now 83, went through a tough time recently and I've now taken him in to live with me and my family (as a thank you for looking after me all those years my Dad was away when I was younger). Wish I'd found this site sooner as have been reading with interest some of the other build logs and some of the hints, tips and problems I've faced so far may have been a bit easier to overcome! Anyway, I will start to post photos of the work to date and some of the above issues and then carry on from where I left off. First ever build, so it's not perfect (so please be gentle all you pros) but I've tried to show (mainly Grandad) that despite being a number-cruncher by profession now, there's a real marine engineer (not just the right letters after my name) in there somewhere! Anyway, I hope you enjoy. Cheers, Chris- 117 replies
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Where do I start? First, it’s great to find this forum and be able to obtain nearly instantaneous expertise and advice! Of course the first piece of sage advice was in essence, ‘... first time builders don’t start with HMS Victory!!’... and I fully understand that sound advice. But with your help and good Lord willing, I will succeed. I do plan to spend some time rooting around on this grand site to find pertinent information of which I’ve already found and am reading some. But thank you in advance for all the assistance/advice I’m sure to receive (and want!). That’s always better than ‘I knew that would happen!’ After the fact. Background: I’ve been an avid fan of the sailing/warships/Nelson’s navy of the late 18th and early 19th century for more than 40 years, having spent some time in Greenwich (UK) visiting the Maritime Museum (during a Nelson celebration actually) and having been able to visit the Victory in Portsmouth in the 1980’s. I’ve also toured the USS Constitution in Boston - as I’m sure many of you have as well. I purchased this kit (if memory serves) in the early 90’s and have been carrying it around with me for some time now. Having just retired from the workforce, I thought ‘Finally, now is the time!’. Well here goes. As I read in an earlier post, the model directions are a train wreck. I’ve read through the directions and have laid out the various reference items for easy reference. I don’t speak or read Italian so some of the information is difficult to interpret. The below picture is where we stand today having fitted the parts, but not glued anything but the keel (3) sections. I first found that the supporting horizontal beams did not readily fit into the slots. I then went through sanding/scraping the slots to ensure the beam would fit. Couple of observations: (1) The horizontal beams stick out beyond the first frame at the bow. I plan to cut off the ends to align with frame #1 (2) Looking from bow to stern, the various frame tops are not in a horizontal line. That is, starting with frame #10 (through 16) is the frame tops are progressively higher. The result will be the deck will not be horizontal. I’ve verified the frames are all seated correctly but wondering if those frame tops should all be at the same height. If so, I’ll need to remove and sand/adjust the tops accordingly. (3) An initial fit check of the deck closest to the stern (#27) seems to indicate an extremely tight fit... I take it I will need to adjust accordingly. (4) Anything I should know before I glue everything below after (1-3) above are covered? Finally, I’m wondering if the kit has simply ‘expanded’ over the years so that it will be ill fitting across the board.... or perhaps the kits are ill fitting to begin with? All for now; Thanks again for your help/assistance and I hope everyone has a great weekend!
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The VICTORY’s keel was laid down in my shipyard at the end of 2011. This is the third ship released in installments by the magazine. That is why I started building without knowing what I was setting myself in for. Having already assembled the hull, it was evident that the ship would be large and heavy and complicated to build. About the time I completed the first layer of planking to the gunports - I put it aside to complete first simpler models. This interruption lasted 3.5 years until January of 2017. I began work on it again and this time took it firmly in hand, without distractions until completion in June of 2017, the last steps being the flags and glass cover. It took me 4.5 full years to complete the model.
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I had much less of a break after finishing the Alert than I had thought -- got the itch to start this kit, which I have been looking forward to. It's my first Caldercraft kit and I'm interested in the comparison with Amati and Vanguard -- my gold standards up to now. There are a number of build logs on this kit by builders with much better skills than mine, so I don't know how much added value I can provide, but I find these logs fun to share, and what I'll try to focus on (as in this post) are construction details and issues, and how I addressed them. So I've skipped the "what's in the box" opener, because what's in the box is what you'd expect. There are three manuals: one for the hull -- with pictures, one for rigging, and a third for parts -- which is great, as you don't have to wrestle multiple plan sheets up on the wall to figure out the wood panel and other cut sheet parts. I also bought some white posterboard to provide a better backdrop on my workbench for my pictures. I have finished the first phase of the frame: keel, bulkheads and lowest deck. This kit uses 5mm plywood for all of that -- in all of my other kits these parts have been MDF, and based on my experience with MDF where all the parts slide together easily without sanding, I found working with the plywood a challenge. NONE of the slots in the keel, bulkheads, or deck fit without some more-than-trivial widening. Regular sanding would take forever, and I tried a couple of times to use rotary tool sanding disks, but they get chewed up fast. So I found some 3mm rotary burrs on Amazon, and that did the trick. But with 18 bulkheads and 16 double-sided deck slots, it comes out to 68 slots to widen. Got it done, and everything fit together as you can see. This is a heavy ship because of the plywood and its size. I'm looking forward to digging into it. Regards, David
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Hello everyone! Happy New Year from brand new member I'm so happy I have joined this community as I saw some fantastic builds here and I can't wait to share some of my stuff I've started my build when it was released as a partwork about 8 years ago. It was going great and I had to put it on hold for some time. Luckily I've collected all the magazines and completed all the parts. She went into the loft and survived two house moves. Few months ago I decided to get cracking and finish the build. This was the best decision ever as since I reinstated build I had so much fun with it. To recap what I've done before restart - have a look at some pics... There is some additional stuff I purchased - mainly copper planking. It is I think around 4000 individual plates so it took absolute ages to get it done. I still had rudder left to do and few bits that came loose needed replacing... Have a look The first job after this quite few years was cleaning the copper hull... I used water with vinegar and salt. There is a massive difference after this treatment... There is more but I need to sort out the pics That's the sneak peek from current stage... Thanks Tom
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So at the encouragement of others on this site I have decided to start my own build log. I've been a lurker on other builds for a while now, especially Dafi's and Bill97. I'm going to have a ton of questions and need a lot of advice so as to avoid hijacking those threads I'll ask here. I'm hoping to provide enough of a step by step on this build to help others, as others have already helped me immensely. I'm not certain my work will be as good as theirs though. Before I begin I'll give a little background on myself. I've been out of modeling for over 30 years and just recently got back into it to spend more time with my teenage boy. We started building the Revell 1/72 Gato together and it accomplished exactly as I was hoping, much needed quality time together. His interests quickly turned to airplanes so he abandoned me to work on his own projects leaving me to finish the Gato by myself. We sit together though with him on his airplanes and me on my boats. When I was a teenager I started the 1/96 Uss Constitution and got to the point of rigging when my little brother and his friend decided to take it outside and use it for a BB gun target. In my memory I remember the build being museum quality. In actually it probably looked like it was built with construction adhesive and crayons. I've always wanted to try my hand at building a tall ship again and after finishing the Gato I was looking for another kit and came across the Heller Victory. I watched a ton of videos on YouTube and decided to give it a go. I live in a rural part of Utah in the U.S. so everything I do has to be mail order. The kit arrived in the mail and I quickly thought I might have but off a bit more than I can chew. Especially after looking at Hellers instructions, if you can call them that. I definitely want to make the best model possible so I immediately ordered the Dafi etch set. I ordered all except the grates. It arrived in the mail yesterday and it is absolutely amazing. I'm not necessarily worried about making an exact historical replica. I just want it to be close for the casual observer and look good. I've begun the kit now and will post pictures in the next post of my progress. I'm still working full time as a law enforcement Officer so I won't be able to work on and post a much as others, but by little steps I'll finish the kit. I look forward to all of the help, advice and especially encouragement that I've already seen from this group. -
A few notes first about this build. I purchased this kit in the mid-to-late 1970s. It's the original Mantua 776 kit, not the laser-cut version. As you can see in the photo below, the box is definitely showing its age having been carted between Canada and the U.S. multiple times and back-and-forth across the continent several times over the years. Now retired, I decided it was finally time to tackle it, after all, you don't want to rush into these things. The build is a combination of scratch-built components married to or replacing plywood (predominantly) parts in the kit. I don't like plywood to be visible, so the only plywood used will be in the hidden interior structure. To that end I'm scratch-building a new keel which will be covered in more detail later in the log. Note that many of these photos are frame stills taken from our video log of the build on our YouTube channel Whisky Workbench, so image quality is not the best. The second photo shows the interior of the box, basically a box of wood. There are smaller boxes with plastic detail castings, brass cannons, rigging materials, and so on.
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hi guys , welcome to my build diary for my first build , started the begining of october 2018 so i've made a bit of progress already , a few mistakes but nothing i couldnt overcome , and a lot of learning of new techniques too , any advise is greatly appreciated as im a newbie to the hobby
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Well,the big box arrived yesterday,and,although I'm not supposed to start this model before I've got my new workshop,I just couldn't resist making a start! This kit may not be the best as far as some people are concerned,but a 1:75 scale Victory for £260 is worth a try! Instructions are a bit vague,but you just have to sit down and study the pictures for a while. The wooden parts all seem to be very good quality,and fit together nicely so far. After the first day I had the main bulkheads in place,and also the lower deck,which I am planking today. First 2 pictures are a bit blurred,as I've just realised I still had my camera set up for taking photo's of the moon through my telescope,but it's all sorted now! I haven't got a building slip,but have purchased a keel clamp which is already proving to be very helpful in turning the ship round easily. More pics to follow as I progress,and I would welcome any input from anyone who has built this model.
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Hi, I'm Phil. I'm about ten months into my build. I've never done a ship of the line before, so this is a learning experience. I chose to build the HMS Victory because I wanted to do a ship of the line. I bought it off of E-Bay on an auction. The kit dates back from 1991. I've had a few difficulties due to the age of the wood and my relative inexperience (compared to most of you guys) in wooden ship modelling. I am very patient. I am very stubborn. I have lots of experience with other types of models to draw from. I have finished the rough work on the hull. Both layers of planking are on. The stern and quarter galleries are built and painted. I have the base color scheme painted on. I am going to be coppering the bottom of the hull. I have 3/16" copper tape, a pounce wheel and Gene Bodnar's article on making copper plates using self adhesive copper tape (thank you very much, Gene, for writing that, as well as the other articles that you have written), that I pulled off of this website. I plan on making very good use of all three . Here's where I'm at right now:.thumb.JPG.7bb00e7e581e1069781cbae7453e44c1.JPG)
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Hello there again as you know already from the title I am working on the Model space Victory and have a new problem now when I started planking at the stern I notice the planking is not coming out even with the other side as you see from the photos I have no problem removing a plank or two if it comes to that, since I only added one plank on the left side so far and I even measured the distance from the bend to the edge of the stern which is 40mm from plank # 5, when I add plank #5 to the right side it should be the same distance right, What should I should do to make them even before I continue with the rest, I would appreciate any input from anyone who has done the model space Victory thank you Ronaldplankingunevenattransoncloserview.jpg.d36f9668bf4be70d3b99c5ab31377af3.jpg)
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So, after some months of hard work on this first ship, it is eventually time to start a build log. Building started in July after this gift kit unexpectedly ended up in my hands . Unfortunately or fortunately, I acquired a new house and moved almost at the same time. So work in the shipyard resumes when the multiple improvements in the house and my new job let me some scarce free time. I have no experience in wood work (nor manual work actually!). So I bought a lot of tools to help compensate 😉. Not sure it was a good idea but well, one has to start somewhere at some point. Forums on this website helped a lot to avoid some mistakes. Yet, I eventually made a lot of them... Let us summarize the consecutive steps up to the current stage of the build: - Frames were attached to the keels after tapering (alas, I did not compare the two sides of each frame - I planked the upper deck and lower deck - Bits of woods that attach to the half gun were set between each frame. - Stern and bow fillers were adequately shaped (all praise dremmel power tools). - Many pages about planking were carefully read. Then they were read again. And again. - Months and much energy were spent for first layer planking with the following mistakes: + Miscalculation of stern and bow tapering. For instance, the planks close to the main and upper deck are too wide at the extremities. + Unredeemable (well, almost) mistake in the overall curvature of the tucked stern. + Overall ugliness - Currently happily sanding and filling. Next steps: 1. Drill holes and design gun ports. Wondering how to accurately set each location. Then I can move the half-gun holders at the right place, if necessary. Forum pages shall be read and read again. 2. Anxiously bite my nails while wondering about how the lowest planks should meet the keel. 3. Despair for a while. Read ther build log for tthe 20th page. 4. Cautiously get to 2nd layer planking. 5. Observe result. Incriminate lack of experience and dubious genes to explain obvious failure. All comments and tips are more than welcome !
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Hello, This is a side project for refreshing. I'm working on the HMS Bounty's precision hull fairing from old Sergal kit. On the contrary, this kit is designated for relaxing and fast build. So, please sit comfortably and relax while watching. Hull fairing... pass! I made some deck planking. It is considered an easy and fast build. I added gratings to cover my mistake on the lower deck. Easy and fast build... Yeah. It was easy to plank the hull. But the hull fairing made it difficult... After some trial and errors, mass production! Easy and fast! I figured out the quarter galley parts are not in the kit. I downloaded some free HMS Victory 3D models, edited them, and printed them using a 3D printer. The details are horrible, but this is an easy and fast build. 😎
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This is my feeble attempt at building the DeAgostini HMS Victory in 1:84 Scale. I started building my model some few or more years ago but have not worked on it again since 2016. I am hoping by starting this build thread it will prod me into maybe even finishing it. I am not an accomplished model ship builder and will be happy to receive hints, tips and advice along the way. Looking back, I recall stalling at the stage where I began to lay down "copper" tape on the lower part of the hull. I was not thrilled with the way my attempt was looking, so I will need to start there and see what I can do. probably with my lack of experience, I am hoping for a level of perfection that is unreasonable. But I would like to finish this model even if it's not near perfect.
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