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The next build. Before to begin the construction with wood, I want to have all the necessary information I need for the complete build. -I do not want to have to do extensive research -I do not want to draw plans -I do not want to begin in 5 years My prefered activity is to build and I want to concentrate on this particular aspect. V4.0 for the forth time 74 I will build a 74 guns 1/24 I will use the biggest scale I can manage. For this one 1/24 is 8 feet long. This is about the maximum I can easily manipulate. I would have love to build even at a bigger scale like 1/12 but I do not have all the plans I need. Jean Boudriot offers me everything I need. All the required information is available in 5 books, not 4 but yes 5. I am a lazy person for this time, I will not draw the frames; JC Lemineur did and I will use it. So, I have all what I need to begin : -all the paper I need (the fifth book is in the mail) -all the tools I bought tools for the last 30 years -all the wood I need, at least for the frames. I did build 1 version of the 74 with exotic woods. If I add the price of all the exotic woods used, you would not believe how much expensive it can be in these quantities. Traditionnally, in Europe, they use pear wood for the frames and boxwood for the carvings. In my country, here in Quebec, there are no places to buy these woods and anyway it is too expensive for what I want to do. Here in Quebec, one of the most stable wood we have is cherry wood. In addition the properties are similar to pear wood except for the grain; cherry has pear has not. For sanding both are identical. As a bonus, at least for my taste, I love the smell of this wood when cutting or sanding.
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IN THE BEGINNING: OK team, I am starting this thread now as I have some work going on behind the scenes before I open my Christmas 22 present. I have purchased Session 1 of the CAF Bellona kit; a Third Rate 74 gun ship of the line in 1:48 scale. This is going to be a large ship at 1090mm main gun deck length. Not too sure on overall length with bowsprit and Jib Boom but it will stand nearly 1000mm tall once the masts are in place. Why such a large ship? I don't really know. I sercved on an overseas exchange posting with the Royal Navy teaching post graduate engineering at the Royal Navy Engineering College at Manado, Plymouth. The establishment on which the college was based was HMS THUNDERER. Unfortunately the establishment no longer exists as the college was moved to Collingwood in the late 90's and the base is now a housing estate. I have initiated the build hiring a 3D designer to produce the figurehead for the model of HMS THUNDERER as I cannot have the kit until Christmas . There are a few ZEUS resin sculptures out there but only one really comes close to the Figurehead. I am using that designer to modify and create a 3D print file for me to use in creating THUNDERERs Zeus figurehead. I have also gone over the AOS- BELLONA and the Dodds and Moore book "Building a Wooden Fighting Ship" to tease out the details I need for Session 1 which is the keel and Frames of the ship. I may then proceed to scratch build the rest of the hull using the books mentioned as I feel I have developed sufficient skill to do so. I suspect this will be a long duration build (unlike my current 3 - 6month builds), I suspect this one will be in the order of years. The only issue is its sheer size and where to put it when not working on it......
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Greetings everyone; Can anyone point me to a good source for the scantlings of the stern timbers in a 74 gun ship, built in the first half of the 1780s. I can find an entry in a contract I have which specifies that the counter timbers should be 10" sided, but no other dimensions are given. Goodwin, rather frustratingly, gives a range of fractions to multiply parts of the stern by to obtain other parts, but he does not give a starting dimension to which I can apply these factors to begin the process. The establishment lists do not mention them either, as far as I can determine. I could guess at them being the same as a toptimber, or fourth futtock perhaps, but that has no basis in fact. All the best, Mark P
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A brife introduction and some thoughts… While trying to put together all the info and starting the new log here I searched for the CD of the MNM yesterday and the date wrote on it was January 2012. Therefore I started this project more or less around those days. MNM is the acronym for Naval Museum of Madrid. They used to be able to sell you plans and prints for one euro plus two euros for the CD but they do not do it anymore. Something that I don´t understand at all. It is totally a shame because we have an enormous Public Record Office with thousands of files and prints already scanned that should be able to be consulted by all and specially the enthusiast modelers around the World and here in Spain. It should be like the National Naval Museum in UK for example. It was once but not anymore. The shipwright was Julian Martin De Retamosa (1747 -1827) one of the latest shipwrights or the Real Armada and known for building the best ships of the Real Navy in this last period. Spain had lost years ago the supremacy of the seas and was no able to build ships of the line at the rate of other navies do like French or specially the Royal Navy which has become the first world power. Never the less from 1790 to 1800 only three 74´s and seven frigates were built. The print I have is dated at Madrid on 1803 and as you can see the name is not on the list above so I assume it is a draft that never went to a good end. That´s what encourage me more, to actually build a ship that is unique and do it totally from scratch. The plans and the model. Since English it´s not my mother tongue I am writing on word, then copy and pasting. A single post takes me a while. I´ll be updating the log from time to time trying to put all the info the best I can but trying to explain the way I draw the draft and no boring you guys with lots of literature. Wish me luck! Daniel.
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