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La Créole 1827 by archjofo - Scale 1/48 - French corvette


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Hello Karl, Ozark and aviaamator,
thank you for your interest and nice comments.
Also thank you for the LIKES.

 

In the meantime, I have started a first attempt to make ropes.
The left rope is my attempt, the right one is a purchased rope.
For this experiment, I simply used polyester yarn. For each hook I pulled 6 threads, that is 3 x 6.

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As can be seen in the picture, the strands of my rope is not strong enough.
In addition, I will make many attempts to collect even with linen yarn many experiences.
The ropewalk has to be motorized at the "looper". With thinner strands, the twist may not be enough to form the rope.

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Johann, looks pretty good.  You have a fairly tight twist or “lay” which is good.  Perhaps just a bit more but it is looking real good.  I’m anxious to see how your linen will lay up. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hello,

after further tests, the following results are to be shown.
The lower rope is made of polyester. All others are made of linen.

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Here is a short explanation:

NeL 100 means 100 x 300 yards / 1 UK pound = 100 x 0.604772 g / m = 60.04772 g / m,
that means 60 meters of this yarn weigh 1g.

With each further attempt, the result is a little better. However, in the case of linen yarn, since it is a natural fiber, irregularities in the yarn are sometimes also unpleasant on the finished rope.
I hope that this becomes less visible with the now ordered at the company Goldschild and even thinner linen yarn in the strengths NeL 120/2 or 100/3.

Sequel follows …

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Johann! Cables are clearly not enough load when twisting, they look weakly twisted. Strands should fit snugly to each other. Try to take the cable in a vertical position and measure the maximum length of this part of the cable, the longer-the better! My cotton cable.

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Hello aviaamator,
Thanks for the hints, but I'm still learning rope making.

I will try to twist the strands closer and stronger at the next tests.

 

Hi Richmond,

Thank you for your interest and your nice comment.


 

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Johann,

 

I are you giving the finished rope a final "pull" by hand after spinning.   Grasping a length with your hand and giving it a sharp pull will help set the turns.

Mark
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For lnen yarn

Etsy   has sources - mostly Baltic    Coloredworld   LINENGRAPHY   TheRawLinen

the natural grey looks like hemp as it is.  It is a bit fuzzy and adherence to diameter spec could be better,

but it is linen.

 

 

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Hi Johann - been a silent admirer of your superb work through the build to date - Your rope with the weathered shade you have achieved in this last post is to my eye a superb representation of the real article - well done - Cheers Pete

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Hello Pete,

thank you for your appreciation of my work.

 

A few days ago I received the linen yarn from Bockens NeL 120/2 and Goldschild NeL 100/3 and immediately struck a rope with 2 threads per hook. For the linen yarn of Goldschild NeL 100/3, this resulted in a rope with ø 0.75 mm (on the right in the picture) and for the linen yarn of Bockens NeL 120/2 a rope with ø 0.55 mm (left in the picture).

These yarns are a lot thinner, like those already presented. This makes it possible to make even the thinnest ropes I need in the upper rigging for the La Crèole.
Of course, practice is still required. It gets better from rope  to rope; the experience is steadily increasing and it's even fun.

Surely it will be even better, but for now from my point of view as good.

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Here are some more Experiments (left to right):

DMC Ecru No. 100  6 x 3 rope diameter 1.40 mm; cotton
DMC Ecru No. 80  6 x 3 rope diameter 1.50 mm; cotton
DMC Ecru No. 80  8 x 3 rope diameter 1.65 mm; cotton
DMC Ecru No. 100  1 x 2 rope diameter 0.45 mm; cotton
Alterfil No. 120  2 x 3 rope diameter 0.58 mm; polyester
Bock's No. 470 NeL 120/2  8 x 3 rope diameter 1.25 mm; linen

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Looks like you are well on your way with learning the ropes Johann.

 

Michael

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Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

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Hello,
in the meantime, I have tested other yarns in different strengths.
Meanwhile, the Irish linen yarn has arrived; one roll NeL 100/2 and two rolls NeL 90/2.

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The difference to the Swedish linen yarn can be seen on the next picture. Unfortunately, I can not compare the same strengths. However, there is some difference between the two yarns.
I still have to find out how these differences will affect the finished rope.

 

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In the meantime I have equipped the "looper" with an engine.

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As you can see on the next picture, I practiced a lot.

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Nice pictures of the tests Johann. The clarity of the last shot is a bit deceptive regarding the sizes for me. The ropes are beautiful in and of themselves, could you post the picture of the ropes at a 1:1 scale for reference?

 

Michael

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.

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Hi Michael,
I´m sorry, but next time I will specify a reference scale with.

 

Hi Dziadeczek,

so far, I have only made right handed ropes.

I am still a beginner. First I have to learn the basics, then comes the Freestyle … 🙂

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Hello,

finally I have the confidence to make an anchor cable.
Actually, the right handed rope should only consist of 3 strands.
But for the first try it was so much easier.
As a reference measure, I have set a metric ruler.
 

On the next picture, the purchased cabel is attached to the anchor, next to it is the cabel made by me.DSC06664.thumb.jpg.3ebe4ad3e9859474a7821e387ecb63ef.jpg

On the next picture, the purchased cabel is attached to the anchor, next to it is the cabel made by me.

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