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Thank you for your interesting presentation.

 

Meanwhile I tried to fill the gaps of the rope.
On my photo above is the wormed rope to see.
To the left is the served rope. Looks a little less wavy, that's true.

Below, I show the served rope without worming.

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Hello,
thin leather about 0.15 - 0.2 mm is not available. So you have to make thin leather even thinner. For this I have built a primitive device, as can be seen in the following picture.

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For example, the bobstays are served with leather. The thin leather, about 0.2 mm thick, can easily be glued around a rope after splitting, as shown in the next picture.

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The jaw of the gaff was lined on the inside with leather.

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Johann,

The leather thinning tool is very nice I shall have to try that.

 

Michael

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Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

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Johann you never cease to amaze, superb work

Regards

Paul 

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Hello Michael, Paul,
@deadbrotherbear,
and @aviaamator,
thank you for your interest and the nice comment. Also thanks to all for the LIKES.

Here is a little update:
I had completely forgotten the coppering of the mizzen mast in the upper area as protection for the jaw of the gaff. I remembered how I made the leather for the gaff.

 

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Another detail for the mizzen mast is a fitting for the topping lifts of the davits.

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1 hour ago, wefalck said:

Well, I would go for the left version, with the lanyard a tad darker.

 

I agree 👍, but it looks very nice Johann. Great work. 

 

 

 

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I also prefer the left side example.

 

Michael

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

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Reviewing your log...I'm amazed...STILL.  So much iron work and such.

I prefer the dark lanyards myself.

 

Rob

Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

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Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

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darker is dull, lighter more contrasting. It depends on how you want to show her - the ship in total - and how much you want to have singular parts stand out. When I look at the metal work against the wood, the ropes from your hammock nettings ...  you need to look at the bigger picture and look at it from a distance, not from close up.

 

Very impressive though

Carl

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7 hours ago, cog said:

darker is dull, lighter more contrasting.

It's not about dull contrast...its about accuracy.  Light lanyards are not accurate....ever.

Then again if you are show-boating.

 

Rob

Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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hms victory example and another 

 

30 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

It's not about dull contrast...its about accuracy.  Light lanyards are not accurate....ever.

Then again if you are show-boating.

 

Rob

There you are wrong Rob, for then the model should be painted accurately as well. It's up to the builder in my opinion, which has nothing to do with "show-boating" as you call it

Carl

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I gather there are two 'extreme' ways of presenting a model, in an 'artisanal' style, to demonstate one's artisanal skills and with aesthetics in mind, or in a 'realistic' style, that shows, how a ship may have looked at her time. The latter style is common among plastic modellers, while those, who build wooden ship models seem to go for something in between the two extremes, but leaning often towards the more 'artisanal' one. In the latter case you can have any artistic, or rather artisanal license you want, but we also seem to have certain conventions ...

wefalck

 

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8 minutes ago, cog said:

hms victory example and another 

 

There you are wrong Rob, for then the model should be painted accurately as well. It's up to the builder in my opinion, which has nothing to do with "show-boating" as you call it

Then I suppose I'll remain wrong.  From the details the builder is employing in the iron work and skillful application of every detail of his build...applying the appropriate tar mixture of preservation to the lanyards would not be considered inaccurate as Wefalk has concured.

 

White lanyards are not accurate...no mater how contrasting they are to make a build look balanced.  I used the phrase *show-boating* to delineate between what one thinks looks good to what was actually a practice...regardless of appearances.

 

I meant no disrespect to anyone for stating the facts as I know them.

I wonder where the marine historians and architects went wrong when rebuilding the constitution? 

 

Respectfully Rob

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Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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23 minutes ago, wefalck said:

I gather there are two 'extreme' ways of presenting a model, in an 'artisanal' style, to demonstate one's artisanal skills and with aesthetics in mind, or in a 'realistic' style, that shows, how a ship may have looked at her time. The latter style is common among plastic modellers, while those, who build wooden ship models seem to go for something in between the two extremes, but leaning often towards the more 'artisanal' one. In the latter case you can have any artistic, or rather artisanal license you want, but we also seem to have certain conventions ...

Well phrased shipmate.

I concluded what I did and boldly spoke to the extreme accuracy of detail Johann has employed in this particular model.  He has spared no detail...and it wasn't a stretch to imply he should continue that stretch and include the detail of properly treating the lanyards.  Why go *Artisanal* at this junction, when in fact his entire build is a magnificent representation of his artistic skill.

 

 

If, as an artist, you want to paint red lips on a pig.... be artistic, but if you want to aesthetically and accurately represent a pig, then you forgo the lipstick.

Nuff said.

 

Clear sailing.

 

Rob

Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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Hello,
thank you for your interesting discussion on the design of models.
it is perfectly legitimate to express different views.

In the meantime, I have worked a bit further and made the standing parts for the lower main tackles.

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Johann would it be possible to include a picture of the other side of the spool traveler. I am interested in how it is supported on the steel rod.

Beautiful work on the worming and serving.

Michael 

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

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Hah! I had long discussions with a very knowledgeable gentleman some years ago. I had argued that laniards were running rigging as they were adjustable, but he persuaded me (eventually!) that they were tarred to protect them against seawater. So - dark laniards are more 'correct'.

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