dvm27 Posted October 7, 2015 Share #1 Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) Our Echo cross-section is now complete. I have modeled her with the port side in frame and the starboard side completely fitted out. Finish is dilute sanding sealer. She is made of boxwood and holly. Dyed holly is used for the black portions. Conveniently, Admiralty Models sells both a framing package and a fitting out package so that you may choose your own style of display. The new fitting out package, milled by MSW vendor Crown Timberyard, includes sufficient boxwood and holly to finish the entire hull with plenty of extra for redo's. The price will be $275, postage additional. if you would like to reserve an Echo fitting out timbering package please send an email to me at dvm27@comcast.net. Edited October 7, 2015 by dvm27 druxey, ccoyle, lagrayjr and 40 others 43 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardG Posted October 7, 2015 Share #2 Posted October 7, 2015 Greg, Congratulations. Very nicely done Richard. dvm27 and mtaylor 2 Quote Richard Current Build: Early 19th Century US Revenue Cutter (Artesania Latina "Dallas" - messed about) Completed Build: Yakatabune - Japanese - Woody Joe mini Member: Nautical Research Guild & Midwest Model Shipwrights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Griffith Posted October 7, 2015 Share #3 Posted October 7, 2015 Hi Dr. Greg~! She is beautiful, she has a glow about her. The captain is a nice touch, too. What kind of dye did you use on the holly to make it black? Duff dvm27, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alangr4 Posted October 7, 2015 Share #4 Posted October 7, 2015 Looks stunning Greg. Congratulations. The mahogany (?) base contrasts with it beautifully. Good to hear the fit out package has plenty spare for redo's!!!! Alan dvm27, Canute, druxey and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted October 7, 2015 Share #5 Posted October 7, 2015 Congratulations Greg on a truly fine model. dvm27, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted October 7, 2015 Share #6 Posted October 7, 2015 Sweet, Greg. But why only one rum barrel? Seriously, though, your model is terrific. tlevine, mtaylor, dvm27 and 2 others 5 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury S Posted October 7, 2015 Share #7 Posted October 7, 2015 Beautiful Greg. I cannot find a cross section plan for the aft end of the model. Do you have one? Maury Canute, mtaylor and dvm27 3 Quote Current diversion: Anchor Hoy c 1815 - 1825 1:48 scale Recent Builds: Fair American: 18th C. Longboat: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/2284-longboat-18th-c-by-maury-modelshipways-by-chuck/ Echo Cross Section: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/513-echo-cross-section-by-maury/ Emma C. Berry http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/203-emma-c-berry-132-pof-by-maury/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share #8 Posted October 7, 2015 Sweet, Greg. But why only one rum barrel? Seriously, though, your model is terrific. Why, that's silly Druxey. My ship only carries one crew member (the Lieutenant). At the Admiralty prescribed ration of 1/2 gallon of rum/day in home waters I felt the one barrel was plenty. Plus, I had it left over from another build (the real reason it's there). Beautiful Greg. I cannot find a cross section plan for the aft end of the model. Do you have one? Maury The cross-section was sliced from the Echo sheer plan from Admiralty Models. The same could be done for the aft section. Thanks for the kind words Richard, Alan, Grant and Duff! By the way, the crew member is not part of the timbering package! Cap'n Rat Fink, Mirabell61, Jack12477 and 9 others 12 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted October 7, 2015 Share #9 Posted October 7, 2015 A beautiful rendition. Congratulations. dvm27 and Canute 2 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Vadas Posted October 7, 2015 Share #10 Posted October 7, 2015 Great work Greg. It makes me all the more impatient to start work on the cross-section of my Vulture. I have to finish my current two projects first though . Danny dvm27, Canute, alangr4 and 2 others 5 Quote Cheers, Danny ________________________________________________________________________________ Current Build : Forced Retirement from Modelling due to Health Issues Build Logs : Norfolk Sloop HMS Vulture - (TFFM) HMS Vulture Cross-section 18 foot Cutter Concord Stagecoach 18th Century Longboat in a BOTTLE CARD Model Build Logs : Mosel Sydney Opera House (Schreiber-Bogen) WWII Mk. IX Spitfire (Halinski) Rolls Royce Merlin Engine Cape Byron Lighthouse (HMV) Stug 40 (Halinski) Yamaha MT-01 Yamaha YA-1 HMS Hood (Halinski) Bismarck (GPM) IJN Amatsukaze 1940 Destroyer (Halinski) HMVS Cerberus Mi24D Hind (Halinski) Bulgar Steam Locomotive - (Modelik) Tanker and Beer Wagons (Modelik) Flat Bed Wagon (Modelik) Peterbuilt Semi Trailer Fender Guitar Restorations for Others : King of the Mississippi HMS Victory Gallery : Norfolk Sloop, HMAT Supply, HMS Bounty, HMS Victory, Charles W. Morgan, 18' Cutter for HMS Vulture, HMS Vulture, HMS Vulture Cross-section, 18th Century Longboat in a Bottle Other Previous Builds : Le Mirage, Norske Love, King of the Mississippi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted October 8, 2015 Share #11 Posted October 8, 2015 I echo the above comments Greg, well done. David B Canute, mtaylor and alangr4 3 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik W Posted October 12, 2015 Share #12 Posted October 12, 2015 Greg, Does the $275 price for the fitting out package also include the framing package? Or is the $275 in addition to the $195 needed for the framing package? Is the lumber for this basic sheet stock with the dimensional strips to be milled by the modeler? Or does the lumber in these packages include the milled dimensional strips? I'm trying to figure out what to do for my second build. It's either something like this, or Chuck's Cheerful. Thanks! Erik mtaylor, bjamesjr and Canute 3 Quote Current build: HM Cutter Cheerful - Scratch Build - 1:48Finished build: 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted October 12, 2015 Share #13 Posted October 12, 2015 Semi-offtopic: am I banned in Google, or there are really no build logs for the fully framed Echo model (not cross section) based on Admirality Models plans? Lines of the cross section look interesting, was curious how does the full model looks like Canute, mtaylor and Dee_Dee 3 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted October 12, 2015 Share #14 Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) Haven't seen or heard of anyone building a full-hull framed Echo yet, Mike. Will you be the first? Edited October 12, 2015 by druxey Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share #15 Posted October 12, 2015 Semi-offtopic: am I banned in Google, or there are really no build logs for the fully framed Echo model (not cross section) based on Admirality Models plans? Lines of the cross section look interesting, was curious how does the full model looks like While we have sold many Echo plans I have not seen a finished model yet. I suspect the complete resource material available for our Swan set of plans makes this the more popular project. But Echo, with it's French influence, does have beautiful lines and would make a lovely model. Jack12477, dgbot, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjamesjr Posted October 12, 2015 Share #16 Posted October 12, 2015 Greg, Does the $275 price for the fitting out package also include the framing package? Or is the $275 in addition to the $195 needed for the framing package? Is the lumber for this basic sheet stock with the dimensional strips to be milled by the modeler? Or does the lumber in these packages include the milled dimensional strips? I'm trying to figure out what to do for my second build. It's either something like this, or Chuck's Cheerful. Thanks! Erik Greg, I'm interested in knowing this as well. I'm itching to do a cross section and this one has been highly recommended to me from a thread I started in another place on this site mtaylor, Canute and Jack12477 3 Quote -Bill Why is there never enough time to do it right, but always enough time to do it over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share #17 Posted October 12, 2015 The Echo cross-section consists of two parts. The first is the historicallly correct framing of a sixth rate ship. For many builders this is the end goal, and the cost of the timbering package is $195, plus postage. Others have requested an additional package to completely fit out their cross section, so we prepared a second timbering package which is much more extensive in terms of milled wood. The cost of this fitting out package is $275. From my point of view, it seemed a bit academic to complete an accurately framed hull and then cover it up so I have taken the approach represented above. The starboard side of the hull is fitted out while the port side remains in frame. I believe this makes an interesting presentation. I have also also completed a Swan class cross-section http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/139-hmn-swan-class-sloop-pegasus-cross-section-by-greg-herbert/ which is fully fitted out port and starboard. It was simply framed using 1/4" plywood and the frame patterns sold by Admiralty Models. If you already have Swan plans and David's books you can lift any section of the ship and model it. So many choices! Jack12477, Canute, mtaylor and 5 others 8 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjamesjr Posted October 12, 2015 Share #18 Posted October 12, 2015 Thanks for the info Greg mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote -Bill Why is there never enough time to do it right, but always enough time to do it over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted October 12, 2015 Share #19 Posted October 12, 2015 Haven't seen or heard of anyone building a full-hull framed Echo yet, Mike. Will you be the first? Sure, but it will be like 3-5 years until I will finish the current model mtaylor, tlevine, dvm27 and 2 others 5 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donrobinson Posted October 13, 2015 Share #20 Posted October 13, 2015 Very nice Greg, and I really like how it is attached directly attached to the base a real different approach(at least to me) dvm27, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Completed: MS-AVS, Amati Trabaccolo, Dusek ship's boat, AL-Mayflower, Batelina - MarisStella, MarisStella-Trabakul Liburnian Novilara - MarisStella, 17th Century Battle Station, Ragusian Galley-MarisStella Current: Barque Stefano - MarisStella, On Hold: Amati Pegasus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted October 13, 2015 Share #21 Posted October 13, 2015 Beautiful work as always, Greg. Now you can finish Speedwell. Trussben, Jason, druxey and 4 others 7 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: NRG Rigging Project Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yvesvidal Posted November 13, 2015 Share #22 Posted November 13, 2015 Absolutely Superb !!!! I love the idea to present it in two different ways. The design is pure, beautiful and convey perfectly, the intricacies of these ships. Yves mtaylor, Canute and dgbot 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury S Posted December 7, 2015 Share #23 Posted December 7, 2015 Greg, the figure really sets off the scale perfectly. Where did you find old naval figures at 1:48 or did you carve him yourself? Maury mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Current diversion: Anchor Hoy c 1815 - 1825 1:48 scale Recent Builds: Fair American: 18th C. Longboat: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/2284-longboat-18th-c-by-maury-modelshipways-by-chuck/ Echo Cross Section: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/513-echo-cross-section-by-maury/ Emma C. Berry http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/203-emma-c-berry-132-pof-by-maury/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share #24 Posted December 9, 2015 Very nice Greg, and I really like how it is attached directly attached to the base a real different approach(at least to me bolts through the keel and riding wood Drilling and tapping the keel and rising wood for 4-40 (or smaller, depending on the scale) threaded bolts gives a very secure way of mounting the ship to the building bord. It also allows many options for the final display. Greg, the figure really sets off the scale perfectly. Where did you find old naval figures at 1:48 or did you carve him yourself? Maury Those figures are done for me by Joe of Dynamic Dioramas http://www.dynamicdioramas.org/modelindex.html. His work is fabulous. Check it out! rek, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain_hook Posted January 4, 2016 Share #25 Posted January 4, 2016 Great work! Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Build: HM Brig Badger 1/48 from Caldercraft plans Le Coureur 1/48 by CAF — Completed Build: Armed Virginia Sloop 1/48 by Model Shipways / Gallery HM Cutter Sherbourne 1/64 by Caldercraft / Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted January 4, 2016 Share #26 Posted January 4, 2016 Congrats Greg, lovely cross section, lieutenant and gun round off the picture very well. Looking foreward now to more of your "Speedwell" naval cutter... Nils Canute, dvm27 and mtaylor 3 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted February 19, 2016 Share #27 Posted February 19, 2016 Hello Greg: Will the Echo fitting out package come with a CD that includes the various updates that have been posted here and previously on the Admiralty website? That is, will it come with instructions and/or a log similar to the framing package? hamilton Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote current builds: Corel HMS Bellona (1780) previous builds: MS Phantom (scuttled, 2017); MS Sultana (1767); Corel Brittany Sloop (scuttled, 2022); MS Kate Cory; MS Armed Virginia Sloop (in need of a refit); Corel Flattie; Mamoli Gretel; Amati Bluenose (1921) (scuttled, 2023); AL San Francisco (destroyed by land krakens [i.e., cats]); Corel Toulonnaise (1823); MS Glad Tidings (1937) (in need of a refit); HMS Blandford (1719) from Corel HMS Greyhound; Fair Rosamund (1832) from OcCre Dos Amigos (missing in action); Amati Hannah (ship in a bottle); Mamoli America (1851); Bluenose fishing schooner (1921) (scratch) under the bench: Admiralty Echo cross-section; MS Emma C Barry; MS USS Constitution; MS Flying Fish; Corel Berlin; a wood supplier Colonial Schooner Hannah; Victory Models H.M.S. Fly; CAF Models HMS Granado; MS USS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share #28 Posted February 19, 2016 The Echo fitting out package comes with a complete booklet of instructions that may be downloaded in PDF format. No photos, but plenty of illustrations. Canute, mtaylor, hamilton and 1 other 4 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted February 20, 2016 Share #29 Posted February 20, 2016 Thanks for the clarification Greg! hamilton Canute, dvm27 and mtaylor 3 Quote current builds: Corel HMS Bellona (1780) previous builds: MS Phantom (scuttled, 2017); MS Sultana (1767); Corel Brittany Sloop (scuttled, 2022); MS Kate Cory; MS Armed Virginia Sloop (in need of a refit); Corel Flattie; Mamoli Gretel; Amati Bluenose (1921) (scuttled, 2023); AL San Francisco (destroyed by land krakens [i.e., cats]); Corel Toulonnaise (1823); MS Glad Tidings (1937) (in need of a refit); HMS Blandford (1719) from Corel HMS Greyhound; Fair Rosamund (1832) from OcCre Dos Amigos (missing in action); Amati Hannah (ship in a bottle); Mamoli America (1851); Bluenose fishing schooner (1921) (scratch) under the bench: Admiralty Echo cross-section; MS Emma C Barry; MS USS Constitution; MS Flying Fish; Corel Berlin; a wood supplier Colonial Schooner Hannah; Victory Models H.M.S. Fly; CAF Models HMS Granado; MS USS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uss frolick Posted March 19, 2016 Share #30 Posted March 19, 2016 "THAT'S ... That's ... that's... A NICE ... A Nice ... a nice ... ECHO ... Echo ... echo ..." mtaylor, gjdale, dvm27 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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