marinero Posted December 5, 2015 Share #1 Posted December 5, 2015 ON THE COLOMBIAN NEWS THE GALEON SAN JOSE WITH AN ESTIMATED 10 BILLION DOLLARS IN RICH STONES AND GOLD HAS BEEN FINALLY FOUND AFTER MANY YEARS OF SEARCH. THE GUARDIAN AND COLOMBIAN MAGAZINE SEMANA.COM HAVE ARTICLES ON IT. Link to treasure map http://wvw.nacion.com/ln_ee/2004/febrero/13/663519.gif http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/05/colombia-spanish-galleon-san-jose-museum-cartagena toms10, Tadeusz43, avsjerome2003 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marinero Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share #2 Posted December 7, 2015 Hello more news on the galeon. Now there are several parties interested in the treasure and will sue, Read it at the guardian. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/06/holy-grail-of-shipwrecks-in-three-way-court-battle sea search armada web page for interesting details https://www.scribd.com/user/175685527/SeaSearchArmada GLakie and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted December 7, 2015 Share #3 Posted December 7, 2015 Ah...lawyers and money. Who would have thought...? I hope some sound archeological work gets done in the recovery process. Canute, toms10, druxey and 1 other 4 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaga Posted December 12, 2015 Share #4 Posted December 12, 2015 I hope some sound archeological work gets done in the recovery process. Well, it looks as if the scientific community is taking the San Jose seriously. San José galleon: subject of science, not commercehttp://abcblogs.abc.es/espejo-de-navegantes/2015/12/11/san-jose-galleon-subject-of-science-not-commerce/ The list of the supporters/signatories has some of the heavy weights on subaquatic archeology and history: -George. F. Bass, Distinguished Professor Emeritus, Texas A&M University and Founder and Chairman Emeritus. Institute of Nautical Archaeology -Pilar Luna Erreguerena, Subdirección de Arqueología Subacuática, Instituto Nacional de Antropología e Historia, México, D.F. -John Elliot, Regius Professor Emeritus at Oxford University and Honorary Fellow of Oriel College, Oxford and Trinity College, Cambridge. -Geoffrey Parker Andreas Dorpalen Professor of History Universidad de Ohio -Antony Beevor, historiador militar. -Arturo Pérez Reverte. Escritor y académico de la RAE. -Hugo O´Donnell y Duque de Estrada, Académico Numerario de la Real Academia de la Historia del reino de España, Medalla 2ª. Académico Correspondiente de la Academia Colombiana de la Historia -Carla Rahn Phillips, autora, The Treasure of the San José: Death at Sea in the War of the Spanish Succession (Baltimore, 2007); El Tesoro del San José (Madrid, 2010). Union Pacific Professor [Emerita] in Comparative Early Modern History. University of Minnesota, EE.UU. -Luc Long, Conservateur en chef du Patrimoine, DRASSM. Département des Recherches Archéologiques Subaquatiques et Sous-Marines. Ministère de la Culture et de la Communication. France I have signed it too GLakie and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaga Posted December 13, 2015 Share #5 Posted December 13, 2015 So the Spanish are afraid the Colombians are going to take the Gold from them, just like they took it from the Indians or Aztecs, sounds like Poetic Justice. As well as the Peruvians, Bolivians and don´t forget the Panamanians too. As Poetic Justice goes now a days I wouldnt count on it. Guess who was in Madrid December 2nd... The Colombian president Mr Juan Manuel Santos(right) visiting Mr Mariano Rajoy (left). What a coincidence: http://estaticos.efe.com/efecom/recursos2/imagen.aspx?lVW2oAh2vjN-P-2bRkuNiopUZjccNz0S5eWqQ4TncnkXVSTX-P-2bAoG0sxzXPZPAk5l-P-2fU5UQPtGbMWtd4oAhwnaW8AL1w-P-3d-P-3d They look quite happy.... "Hi Mariano, I just happen to drop by to say hello. Mariano I have great news for both us!" And last Saturday both foreing affairs ministers (Mrs. Holguin from Colombia and Mr. Margallo from Spain) meet for a friendly chat in Cartagena de Indias. http://www.lasexta.com/clipping/2015/12/13/00034/31.jpg The next link is a quite interesting talk by an expert on sunken treasure and litigation. It is a great explanation of why Odyssey Marine Exploration lost the trial over the frigate Mercedes/Blackswan with Spain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s0cqZ_1P And here are some pics of a galleon similar to San jose. The author is Maestro Jose Rodriguez : http://www.modelismonaval.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=101365&mode=view http://www.modelismonaval.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=102201&mode=view http://www.modelismonaval.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=102202&mode=view http://www.modelismonaval.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=101358&mode=view http://www.modelismonaval.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=101359&mode=view http://www.modelismonaval.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=101360&mode=view http://www.modelismonaval.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=101362&mode=view http://www.modelismonaval.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=101363&mode=view http://www.modelismonaval.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=101364&mode=view mtaylor, Canute and GLakie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaga Posted December 13, 2015 Share #6 Posted December 13, 2015 The links for the model are not working so here you have the original thread: http://www.modelismonaval.com/foro/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=10453&start=170 Canute, GLakie, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbshan Posted December 13, 2015 Share #7 Posted December 13, 2015 Thanks for the pics, Anaga. This is a well-armed ship, but a little less so than an English or French warship of the same size would have been. Canute, mtaylor and GLakie 3 Quote Joel Sanborn http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9953-lexington-by-jbshan-dlumberyard-164-from-the-seaways-practicum-by-clay-feldman/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaga Posted December 13, 2015 Share #8 Posted December 13, 2015 jbshan, The ship in the pics is just what an experienced modelist like Jose Rodriguez thinks a late XVII Spanish man o war looked like. The importance of the San Jose is that it fills up a void on late XVII century Spanish naval arquitecture. The only known ship of that period was the first Spanish three decker Concepcion de las Animas (Dusek Models has it). The San Jose and his sister ship the San Joaquin were the last big galleons built. Both were 64 canon but there are no surviving plans. The model of the pics is a rendition of a late galleon at the battle of Rande or Vigo as the British and Dutch know it. If negotiations go well I hope true scientists will be given access to the wreck and come up with detailed plans and studies of late XVII century Spanish ship building. I´m sure Mr Rodriguez will be delighted to build a true replica of the San Jose for us all. Even though the San Jose blew up before sinking the ship is laying on one of its sides and the pictures of the wreck show canons, jars and bottles in good condition so we may have a great monography of the San Jose in the near future. GLakie, Canute, foxy and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbshan Posted December 14, 2015 Share #9 Posted December 14, 2015 It is entirely likely that no more of the structure remains than the floors out to the bilges and perhaps a tiny bit of a side. In any event, at 800 ft. of water, the possibilities of excavation are slim. I'll take the educated guess of Sr. Rodriguez over my own, certainly. I thought it would be somewhere between the 1588 Armada, of which there are many paintings, and English or French of 1700, but didn't know where that might be. The model is very helpful as a best guess approximation by somebody with knowledge in the field. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Joel Sanborn http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9953-lexington-by-jbshan-dlumberyard-164-from-the-seaways-practicum-by-clay-feldman/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chidokan Posted December 14, 2015 Share #10 Posted December 14, 2015 I wonder if I can prove a link to one of the sailors on the brit side, and claim some of it belongs to me as it should have all been divided up between the capturing crew? GLakie, foxy, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbshan Posted December 14, 2015 Share #11 Posted December 14, 2015 I wonder if I can prove a link to one of the sailors on the brit side, and claim some of it belongs to me as it should have all been divided up between the capturing crew? That may be where the claim of 600 men aboard came from as if an enemy vessel was sunk the (English) victor could claim a bounty based on the number aboard at the commencement of the action. Canute, GLakie and mtaylor 3 Quote Joel Sanborn http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9953-lexington-by-jbshan-dlumberyard-164-from-the-seaways-practicum-by-clay-feldman/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy Posted December 15, 2015 Share #12 Posted December 15, 2015 A ship of that type with treasure on board would not only have a sub crew but soldiers too. So 600 is not far out. But like chidokans comment. Frank. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaga Posted December 15, 2015 Share #13 Posted December 15, 2015 Ok I´ve done some research and on the link below if you click where it says Popa San José you can see the stern of the San Jose: http://abcblogs.abc.es/espejo-de-navegantes/2015/12/07/el-ultimo-combate-del-san-jose/ The article is about the last battle of the galleon and its short history. It can be translated with Google Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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