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HMS Syrius was a 36 gun fifth rate frigate of the Royal Navy. she was lost in 1810 when her crew scuttled her after she ran aground during the Battle of Grand Port.

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The Admiralty ordered her construction on the 30th April 1795, the keel was laid down at Dudmans yard at Deptford wharf in the September, she was launched on 12th April 1797. the syrius class of 1795 was established following the taking of the San Fiorenzo from the Spanish in 1794, upon who's lines the frigate was based, only the syrius was actually built

The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness

Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans

HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48

Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48

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Elidir - Thames steam barge

Cutty Sark-Billings boats

Wasa - billings boats

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I Started this build 15 years ago thinking it would be easy to make a fully framed model like you see in museums, how wrong was I, unfortunately then life, moving house etc, took over and the centre part of the hull sat in the garage for 14 years get more broken up and generally ruined, in march last year I thought it was time to resurrect the build and it took me two months to work out the puzzle of broken pieces, straighten them out and get to a place where I could start building again, now nearly a year later this is the current state of the HMS Syrius.

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The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness

Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans

HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48

Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48

Previous builds-

Elidir - Thames steam barge

Cutty Sark-Billings boats

Wasa - billings boats

Among others 😁

 

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Wish you a good start with your revitalised frigate. I am sure to speak for all of us when I am kindly ask you for another pictures of you build. 

 

By the way, the oil paint you have posted ist interesting. It seems so that the English frigate and the French one in the background have red-painted gun strips.

 

Best, Daniel

Cheers,

Daniel

 

In dockyard: HM Colonial Schooner for Port Jackson (scratch), HM Armed Vessel Bounty, HM Cutter Sherbourne

Next builds: HMS Victor 1797 & Gannet 1814 Cruiser class sloops, ship and brig rigged (scratch)

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I am a new member to model ship world joining last year after finding the site while doing research for the build. I've spent the last six months reading just about every topic on the website, and I would like to say what a fantastic source of knowledge, modelling skills and inspiration this site is and a big thankyou to all involved.

I was researching the figurehead and Brodie stove at the time I found the site, there I was building frames thinking I was doing a great job and then I saw some of the builds being done by edT, remco, dan V, etc etc and thought I was obviously on a different playing field and needed to up my game considerably.

I am also in the fortunate or unfortunate position depending how you look at it, in that the syrius wreck has been found and I was lucky enough to contact the head of archaeology for the site when I was searching for the figurehead, Mr Yann von Arnim  has been very helpful in my quest with information and photographs of the site and he has recently given me permission to reproduce some of these on this site as I think it would be of interest to us modeller.

I will post some at a future date, courtesy of Mr Arnim, who has actually sent me a deck planking nail from the actual ship, solid copper square head which I will show in my pictures as a Thankyou to him.

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The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness

Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans

HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48

Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48

Previous builds-

Elidir - Thames steam barge

Cutty Sark-Billings boats

Wasa - billings boats

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small update for this week building planking on the side finished, now have to build the rear transom, so I can finish all the outer planking and move back to the gun deck.

thanks

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The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness

Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans

HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48

Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48

Previous builds-

Elidir - Thames steam barge

Cutty Sark-Billings boats

Wasa - billings boats

Among others 😁

 

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Nice to pick the model up again after such a lapse in time. She's looking good. I smiled when I read 'Cookham'. I spent time in the area many years ago and remember visiting Stanley Spencer's museum and Cookham Church. Lovely place.

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Thanks Siegfried

Druxey Thanks and  yes Cookham is lovely, except when full of tourists in the summer, I've never actually been to the Spencer gallery but people say it is very interesting.

The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness

Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans

HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48

Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48

Previous builds-

Elidir - Thames steam barge

Cutty Sark-Billings boats

Wasa - billings boats

Among others 😁

 

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Draught Marks

while reading through all the build logs and topics I have seen a couple of discussions about draught marks

below is the picture of syrius marks made out of copper

 

photo courtesy of yann von arnim

Copper draught marks in the shape of roman numerals I,III, X, XI, XII and XVII have been found near the stern of the ship

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The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness

Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans

HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48

Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48

Previous builds-

Elidir - Thames steam barge

Cutty Sark-Billings boats

Wasa - billings boats

Among others 😁

 

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Interesting tying in the archaeology with your build. Thanks for sharing this.Think I'll follow along.

Ken

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thanks for all the likes and welcome ken

 

here is another picture from the wreck in Mauritius, it is labelled as a stanchion but I thought it might br a hammock crane but it is very large? any ideas anybody what it might be??

 

 

photo courtesy of yann von arnim

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The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness

Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans

HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48

Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48

Previous builds-

Elidir - Thames steam barge

Cutty Sark-Billings boats

Wasa - billings boats

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another close up of the open end of one of the arms

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The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness

Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans

HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48

Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48

Previous builds-

Elidir - Thames steam barge

Cutty Sark-Billings boats

Wasa - billings boats

Among others 😁

 

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That has the look of a hammock crane, Paul.  Rotate it 90 degrees clockwise and you'll see it too. Size?  I would guess about 3 to 4 feet where the hammocks went, but that's only a guess... and a not very scientific guess either.  ;)   You might ask this in the fittings/deck furniture area.

Mark
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CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

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Hammock crane I believe. The fitting at the end of one arm would have held a batten that acted as a rail that possibly supported netting.

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thanks everyone, my first thought was hammock crane as well but very big? see below

photo courtesy of yann von Arnim and I have also asked him if he could let me have an estimate of size

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The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness

Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans

HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48

Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48

Previous builds-

Elidir - Thames steam barge

Cutty Sark-Billings boats

Wasa - billings boats

Among others 😁

 

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Thanks Hendrik

unfortunately my HMS surprise is under water and a bit more difficult to access, thankfully Mr Arnim and his team have been very helpful

The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness

Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans

HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48

Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48

Previous builds-

Elidir - Thames steam barge

Cutty Sark-Billings boats

Wasa - billings boats

Among others 😁

 

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They're pretty hefty, Paul.   Look at the pictures of Vic's or the Constitution's.  

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

Current Build:                                                                                             
Past Builds:
 La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD           Triton Cross-Section   

 NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit                                                                            HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64               

 

Non-Ship Model:                                                                                         On hold, maybe forever:           

CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

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Hi Paul,

 

Really interesting to see your build with the links back to the archaeology work at the wreck site.

 

Your model looks beautiful and so looking forward to future updates.

 

Will follow along as well if you don't mind.  

 

Cheers,

 

Nigel.

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Paul,

     As I'm biased towards frigates I too will follow along.  Paul, I noticed in one of your posts that you were doing some research on the Brodie stove.  I hope you saw the one Alex M (Alex Matvijets) did for for his model of the 20 gun post ship HMS Sphynx.  To say it's nice is a gross understatement.

 

Tom

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Thanks Tom, I've just finished reading Alex M's build log and yes his stove his beautiful so his hendrik's (paladio) and certainly gives you something to aim for!!

The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness

Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans

HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48

Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48

Previous builds-

Elidir - Thames steam barge

Cutty Sark-Billings boats

Wasa - billings boats

Among others 😁

 

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Some more artefacts from HMS Syrius archaeology, photos courtesy of Yann von Arnim

 Rudder nails and bolts
 solid copper

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The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness

Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans

HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48

Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48

Previous builds-

Elidir - Thames steam barge

Cutty Sark-Billings boats

Wasa - billings boats

Among others 😁

 

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Spectacle plate again made of copper with chain and appears to have four fixings, two bolts all the way through and two square head screws

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The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness

Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans

HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48

Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48

Previous builds-

Elidir - Thames steam barge

Cutty Sark-Billings boats

Wasa - billings boats

Among others 😁

 

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Thanks Gary and everyone for the likes

I took a few pictures earlier in the build, just for myself at the time, unfortunately I'm not that good at photography and need to work out how everyone gets such excellent looking photos

 

lower deck nearing completion with the copper deck nail from the real syrius, hanging magazine in the fore ground and the spirit and fish hatches can be seen under the ladder.

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The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness

Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans

HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48

Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48

Previous builds-

Elidir - Thames steam barge

Cutty Sark-Billings boats

Wasa - billings boats

Among others 😁

 

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copper bolts from the Syrius wreck, courtesy of Yann von Arnim

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The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness

Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans

HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48

Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48

Previous builds-

Elidir - Thames steam barge

Cutty Sark-Billings boats

Wasa - billings boats

Among others 😁

 

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somewhere I was reading a topic about bought model boats being rubbish and not worth the money, I'm afraid I cant agree especially when brought back from holiday by your 2 year old grand-daughter.

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The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness

Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans

HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48

Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48

Previous builds-

Elidir - Thames steam barge

Cutty Sark-Billings boats

Wasa - billings boats

Among others 😁

 

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thanks everyone for the likes

bit of a quiet period in the shipyard due to the cold weather -2 doesn't help the fingers

this week I tried to finish the stern timbers and transoms, I'm on the third version at the moment and still not really happy although all the timbers are correctly spaced for the lights etc

 

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The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness

Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans

HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48

Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48

Previous builds-

Elidir - Thames steam barge

Cutty Sark-Billings boats

Wasa - billings boats

Among others 😁

 

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