Kevin Kenny Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share #31 Posted September 9, 2016 Video 20, installation of the forward square frames L-G KentM, Wishmaster, Ryland Craze and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted September 10, 2016 Share #32 Posted September 10, 2016 Very nice videos, Kevin. The time-lapse feature is terrific. It's pretty humbling to realize, after the fact, that we have made a fundamental error (such as installing those frames in reverse) despite all the care we take. Kevin Kenny, mtaylor and Elijah 3 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnobiumPunctatum Posted September 11, 2016 Share #33 Posted September 11, 2016 I took the time today, to look at your last videos. Really interesting way to show your build. They give me a lot of motivation to continue my own build. Thanks for sharing billocrates, Kevin Kenny, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted September 13, 2016 Share #34 Posted September 13, 2016 Kevin, very nice build. Please check the locations of the timberheads against the as-built plans for Thorn. The locations for a few of the timberheads on Atalanta (and Fly, the only other vessel I have plans for) differ from David's Mylar plan. It would be easy to correct now if necessary. For example, on the plan you show in your video, the two of the timberheads are made of short stuff above the last gun port. On Atalanta the timberheads were shifted to prevent this. mtaylor, WackoWolf, druxey and 1 other 4 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: NRG Rigging Project Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share #35 Posted September 21, 2016 Captain Poison, Wishmaster, KentM and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted September 21, 2016 Share #36 Posted September 21, 2016 When working on the port sills or toptimber lines it is very important to make sure that they are parallel athwartships. Always work on opposite sides as pairs, Mark off the correct height of the bottom of the sills with a height gage or template on each side. Use a long rigid sanding stick, the same width as the port opening, with 150 grit garnet paper affixed. It should be a couple inches wider than the ship. Apply differential pressure while sanding the frames athwartship untill you have reached the marks on the hull on each. You may now install the sills and be certain they are at the correct heights and parallel athwartship. Deck clamp installation - it is crucial that the deck clamps be installed at the proper height in relation to the lower sills or the cannon barrels will not sit in the center of the port opening. Once you have established a proper fair run of the lower sills you should use this as your reference point for the deck clamps. Make a template to transfer the distance from the top of the lower port sill to the bottom of the deck clamp. This measurement will be consistant across the hull. Your sill heights may vary a little from the framing plan due to human error but stick with the afore mentioned template. If done well, your deck/waterway/spirketting accumulated heights will fall exactly even with the top of the bottom sill. So, getting the correct sill positions and heights is crucial to the rest of the build. After installation, affix a batten across the tops of the lower sills. It should be a clean, fair run from one end to the other with no dips or rises. Add thin fillers to build them up or reduce with the athwartship sanding stick for minor adjustments. druxey, Elijah, tlevine and 3 others 6 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share #37 Posted September 21, 2016 Kevin, very nice build. Please check the locations of the timberheads against the as-built plans for Thorn. The locations for a few of the timberheads on Atalanta (and Fly, the only other vessel I have plans for) differ from David's Mylar plan. It would be easy to correct now if necessary. For example, on the plan you show in your video, the two of the timberheads are made of short stuff above the last gun port. On Atalanta the timberheads were shifted to prevent this. Not sure how to post pictures but i have been following the Thorn plan as per Gregs suggestion. The forwar section has one additional timber head while the stern is short two timberheads although you can see some light drawing on the actual print. Maby Greg could comment on this? Elijah, mtaylor and KentM 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted September 22, 2016 Share #38 Posted September 22, 2016 David's plans and practicum were derived from the Pegasus plans. As Toni points out, there are variations from ship to ship. If your Thorn plan is as built then this is the ultimate reference and I would follow it. Sometimes, the as built drawing has pencil notations that are difficult to read. KentM, mtaylor, Elijah and 1 other 4 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted September 23, 2016 Author Share #39 Posted September 23, 2016 Hi Greg what do you think about Toni point. See my response to him here. Hi Toni Just saw your post. I was under the impression that all comments were sent directly to me . Either i missed youe email response or i did not get it. Your point is very interesting. In fact as i look at the plan of the Thorn i see a lot of differences. The frame 2,9,14F,11F, there is a light line drawing added after the plan was drawn, suggesting that these frames go all the way to the railing. There ar two missing timber head at the back but again light pensil marks??? At the front section the plan has one addition timber head.. What is your openion about the light line drawings.? Also not sure which frame you felt is shifted. Is it 7Aft and 11 aft? Best regards Kevin KentM, Elijah and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted September 24, 2016 Share #40 Posted September 24, 2016 To post pictures take a look at these instructions posted by Dan Vadas. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/540-how-to-add-pictures-in-your-posts-and-pms/. Can you take a picture of the areas of the plan you are questioning? Elijah, Kevin Kenny and mtaylor 3 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: NRG Rigging Project Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share #41 Posted September 26, 2016 dvm27, mtaylor, AnobiumPunctatum and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted October 2, 2016 Author Share #42 Posted October 2, 2016 Installing Square frames 10-6 tkay11, mmdd, Elijah and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted October 2, 2016 Share #43 Posted October 2, 2016 Congratulations on the production of your first chocked full frame. I guarantee your production will speed up as you move on. I usually make them in pairs (each station). There is a small drawback in not installing bevelled chocks. During the fairing process you may sand into the chock of the narrower face (fore face on the fore frames and aft face on the aft frames). This could result in a wavy outside joint line instead of a parallel one. Probably would not be that noticeable as the wood tones down after time. I cut all the bevels for the chock on my Sherline mill. It's actually very easy to do. It is possible to do these with a chisel (David Antscherl certainly does) but I find it difficult to keep them consistent that way. tkay11, druxey, Elijah and 3 others 6 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted October 6, 2016 Author Share #44 Posted October 6, 2016 Congratulations on the production of your first chocked full frame. I guarantee your production will speed up as you move on. I usually make them in pairs (each station). There is a small drawback in not installing bevelled chocks. During the fairing process you may sand into the chock of the narrower face (fore face on the fore frames and aft face on the aft frames). This could result in a wavy outside joint line instead of a parallel one. Probably would not be that noticeable as the wood tones down after time. I cut all the bevels for the chock on my Sherline mill. It's actually very easy to do. It is possible to do these with a chisel (David Antscherl certainly does) but I find it difficult to keep them consistent that way. I will give it a try and see how they come out. As always thanks for the feedback. Kevin KentM, mtaylor and Elijah 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted October 6, 2016 Share #45 Posted October 6, 2016 I wouldn't worry too much about the timberheads and quarterdeck stanchions at this point, Kevin. I think you will find them much easier to shape off the model then installed later after the various plankshears (rails) are in place. The most important thing to do is to get the toptimber levels correct, with smooth graceful lines. They are also parallel athwartships. This is much easier to do without timberheads and stanchions in the way. Later on, you can form the various plankshears from two sections with slots left to receive each timberhead or stanchion. David illustrates this beautifully in his book. AnobiumPunctatum, mmdd, Ryland Craze and 11 others 14 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviaamator Posted October 6, 2016 Share #46 Posted October 6, 2016 Alas, the video is unavailable for my laptop... Elijah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted October 6, 2016 Author Share #47 Posted October 6, 2016 Alas, the video is unavailable for my laptop... Not sure why you cannot see the video as it is on vimeo open to the public. Is there something i can do to help you get access? Best regards Kevin aviaamator and Elijah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnobiumPunctatum Posted October 6, 2016 Share #48 Posted October 6, 2016 @Aviaamator perhaps it has something to do with your inter net connection. I am on holiday and have a slow connection. So I had also a little bit trouble to view the video. If I am back at home I will view it again. Elijah 1 Quote Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share #49 Posted October 7, 2016 The reason i chose Vimeo over YouTube was the quality. The down side to Vimeo is that ypu will need at leat 2m to view. Sorry about that. mtaylor, AnobiumPunctatum and Elijah 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted October 19, 2016 Author Share #50 Posted October 19, 2016 Hello Kevin,I am not sure,but as far my knowledge goes you can upload any quality on you tube even 4K. At the time i started posting it was very difficult to post quality video , that has since changed but i had already picked a place to host my videos and so am sticking to vimeo. AON and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviaamator Posted October 19, 2016 Share #51 Posted October 19, 2016 Works video! Watch and learn! Thank you! AON and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted October 27, 2016 Author Share #52 Posted October 27, 2016 Progress continues billocrates, Ryland Craze, AnobiumPunctatum and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnobiumPunctatum Posted October 29, 2016 Share #53 Posted October 29, 2016 As allways, very intersting videos of your build Kevin Kenny and mtaylor 2 Quote Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted October 29, 2016 Author Share #54 Posted October 29, 2016 I wouldn't worry too much about the timberheads and quarterdeck stanchions at this point, Kevin. I think you will find them much easier to shape off the model then installed later after the various plankshears (rails) are in place. The most important thing to do is to get the toptimber levels correct, with smooth graceful lines. They are also parallel athwartships. This is much easier to do without timberheads and stanchions in the way. Later on, you can form the various plankshears from two sections with slots left to receive each timberhead or stanchion. David illustrates this beautifully in his book. DSCN6441e.jpg so waht you are saying is that all the tops of the frames are cut flat and added after. I wondered how i was going to cut holes for each of the timberheads to pass through the rail ( not sure of the correct term) . This makes so much sense. KentM and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted November 17, 2016 Author Share #55 Posted November 17, 2016 I had to take a rest after a real bad bout of flu. But i am back and used the time to clean up the inside of the frames on the model. In the process i modified one of my Proxxon sanding tools and have invited Proxxon to produce some accessories that may be of use to our hobby. Mumin, bsaylor, AON and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted November 17, 2016 Share #56 Posted November 17, 2016 Kevin, I like your attitude and the clarity of your videos, thanks for doing these. Michael dvm27, mtaylor, AON and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted November 18, 2016 Share #57 Posted November 18, 2016 Just looking in as I do from time to time, Kevin. The modified Proxxon heads will do a very nice job. Hope you get a small royalty on each one sold! You seem to be making good progress on Thorn. Good stuff! Ryland Craze, mtaylor and dvm27 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted December 11, 2016 Author Share #58 Posted December 11, 2016 https://vimeo.com/195183807 AnobiumPunctatum, bsaylor, Ryland Craze and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted December 12, 2016 Share #59 Posted December 12, 2016 Nice recovery, Kevin. I suppose you were blessed/cursed with having the Thorn framing plan. Goes to show you that even thought the Swan vessels were a class within themselves with designated Admiralty specs, their builders still took liberties with regards to their actual construction (most likely based on their own apprenticeship). I'm pretty sure I recall David writing somewhere in TFFM that, in case of discrepencies, the plan for your individual vessel should be the ultimate source. With regard to creeping error you can always cheat an inch or two off either side as you approach the dead flat. You might want to construct the dead flat three-frame-assembly now and temporarily place it to help you figure out how the other frames will fill in. I found this very helpful. Your assistant Ollie is darned cute! Ryland Craze, mtaylor, druxey and 1 other 4 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnobiumPunctatum Posted December 18, 2016 Share #60 Posted December 18, 2016 Kevin, thanks that you brought these details with your small mistake back in my mind. I hope that my rising wood will help me to place the frames accuratly. mtaylor and aviaamator 2 Quote Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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