wefalck Posted February 5, 2017 Share #361 Posted February 5, 2017 Actually, making collets with four slots, instead of the usual three for high-quality ones, was one of the easier routes for holding square stock or parts I have been thinking about. The other possibility with more holding power would be to make four slots that off-centre by the thickness of the targeted stock minus the thickness of the saw blade. The challenge for both variants is to have the slots absolutely symmetric, otherwise the collet runs off-centre. thibaultron, mtaylor, michael mott and 4 others 7 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted February 5, 2017 Author Share #362 Posted February 5, 2017 Wefalck would be to make four slots that off-centre by the thickness of the targeted stock minus the thickness of the saw blade. A picture showing this Idea would be really helpful. Michael mtaylor and thibaultron 2 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted February 5, 2017 Share #363 Posted February 5, 2017 I made a rough-'n'-ready sketch of what I meant: I have made a set of speciality collets myself from blanks purchased from Schaublin some 15 years ago. The difficult step is the slotting one, as you have to hold the collet at its very end and concentric with its axis of rotation. For round collets this is not so terribly critical, as it is mainly the bore that centres the material. However, that is different for the square collets, where the cuts have been absolutely parallel to the axis of rotation. BANYAN, druxey, FriedClams and 4 others 7 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithAug Posted February 5, 2017 Share #364 Posted February 5, 2017 Michael - re drilling the holes in the stanchions. I find that getting the drill on the centre line can be a challenge. The best way I have found to do it is to lock one axis of the mill and cut a slot in hard wood using a single pass of a cutter a coupe of thou smaller in diameter than the part to be drilled. I then press the part into the slot and drill without changing the locked setting. This works pretty well and if I want to have repeatability on the lengthways dimensions I put a nail in the slot to act as an end stop. How did you cope with centring the hole in the stanchions? Chasseur, WackoWolf, FriedClams and 2 others 5 Quote Keith Current Build:- Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24 Previous Builds:- Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/ Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702 J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029 Other Topics Nautical Adventures http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share #365 Posted February 6, 2017 Wefalck thanks for the picture, it looks like a tricky bit of slitting, and one needs a good indexing chuck to do that, or a collet block. Keith This is how I accomplished drilling the holes and will use this method for all 28 stanchions I used a #4 flat file to create a small circular flat a little bigger than the diameter of the drill. The boxwood jaws are easy to cut a small rabbet on one of the blocks the distance between the bulbs is a constant .085" I index that with the table travel. stanchion drill.pdf Michael WackoWolf, FriedClams, popeye the sailor and 7 others 10 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted February 6, 2017 Share #366 Posted February 6, 2017 Veeeery tricky, Wefalck! mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasseur Posted February 6, 2017 Share #367 Posted February 6, 2017 Michael, Thanks for posting the PDF. This information will help me drill some 0.2mm holes on the yard arms I need to drill .... later on for my build. You just solved my problem. Thank-you! Two thumbs Up* Jeff FriedClams, mtaylor and WackoWolf 3 Quote A mighty fortress is our God a bulwark never failing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share #368 Posted February 6, 2017 Jeff I am glad that this was useful for you. I finished the turning of the stanchions this morning, here is a Step by step of the process. The form tool was used to create 6 bulbs The bulb diameter is .065" and the shaft diameter is .045" the bulbs are on .085 centres. The top bulb was trimmed to its center on the top side to accept the handrail. the form tool was switched for the narrow tool to finish off the bottom, the lowest bulb was trimmed on both sides to create the foot. Next a #4 file was used to create the small taper at the bottom next the stanchion was separated with the jewelers the lathe was stopped for this operation The finished stanchions, a few of the first ones had some minor variations so a few extras were turned up to replace them. I will leave the set up on the lathe until I have made sure that I do not need to make any more. Next comes the drilling. Michael Jack12477, hexnut, Mirabell61 and 14 others 17 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted February 6, 2017 Share #369 Posted February 6, 2017 What lathe do you actually have ? WackoWolf, thibaultron and mtaylor 3 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share #370 Posted February 6, 2017 Wefalck, A Myford ML7 which I purchased new in 1970. the spindle hole is a #2 Morse taper with a 1 1/8 x 12 threads for the chucks. In the pictures I am using one of the Little Machine Shop's set of 7 #2 Morse taper collets. I had to make a draw bar for them, The Myford Collets have a special spindle cap which pushes their collets into the spindle. Michael thibaultron, Chasseur, WackoWolf and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted February 6, 2017 Share #371 Posted February 6, 2017 Lovely job, Michael! thibaultron, Chasseur, PeteB and 1 other 4 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasseur Posted February 7, 2017 Share #372 Posted February 7, 2017 Excellent Michael. Good old fashioned machine work. You gave the CNC boys a run for their money. Good PICs. Jeff mtaylor, thibaultron, WackoWolf and 1 other 4 Quote A mighty fortress is our God a bulwark never failing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share #373 Posted February 7, 2017 Thanks all for the encouraging remarks. Finished drilling all the holes (gave me a stiff neck bending down to line up the first hole in each stanchion) and fitted them onto the deck. Threaded all four wires through that was the easy part. Before that I popped the handrail off the old stanchions And dry fitted it to the stanchions this was the difficult part. Ended up with needing to use the little clamps to gently hold it in place. tomorrow I will modify the clamps so that there is a small metal bar that holds the rail on to the posts. I will soft solder the rail to the posts, this was how the first posts were attached. The wires are the right color with some flat varnish on them so when it is all assembled I will give them a light coat of flat. Slow but its getting there. Michael BANYAN, Jack12477, thibaultron and 11 others 14 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted February 7, 2017 Share #374 Posted February 7, 2017 Michael, all that detailed machining is a bit beyond me, but the end result is first class. John Jack12477, cog, thibaultron and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted February 7, 2017 Share #375 Posted February 7, 2017 Michael, Stunning, all the effort well spent I have to say. Do you really need to solder all the stanchions to the wire. I would have thought fixing them at intervals would suffice, even with CA. You wouldn't run the risk heating up the paint at the foot of the stanchion, creating some additional paint work. Cheers mtaylor, thibaultron, popeye the sailor and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted February 7, 2017 Share #376 Posted February 7, 2017 Looking very good indeed, Michael. mtaylor, Jack12477, Chasseur and 3 others 6 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philo426 Posted February 7, 2017 Share #377 Posted February 7, 2017 Fantastic work!I wonder if that ship was originally built as a display piece for the Toy Fair.Cannot imagine it was regular production item due to all of the fine detail work. thibaultron, Jack12477, FriedClams and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted February 7, 2017 Share #378 Posted February 7, 2017 very nice work on the railing / stanchions Michael, is the top handrail made of wood ? Nils thibaultron, Jack12477, FriedClams and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share #379 Posted February 7, 2017 Nils the top handrail is brass that is painted. Michael mtaylor, -Dallen, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share #380 Posted February 8, 2017 Thanks for all the visits to the log. I set up the jig to solder the stanchions to the top rail I set a piece of music wire through the top hole to align all the stanchions both longitudinally and vertically. I used the rail as the template for drilling the holes I dropped a stanchion in each hole as they were drilled to ensure that there was perfect alignment After the stanchions are soldered I can pull out the music wire and thread the nickel wire. Michael dvm27, captainbob, tadheus and 13 others 16 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted February 8, 2017 Share #381 Posted February 8, 2017 You solder the railing off ship...then mount when finished then paint? Wonderful. Rob thibaultron, FriedClams, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share #382 Posted February 8, 2017 Rob The new stanchions are brass and I am painting them to look like nickel silver with an aged patina they soldered up very nicely, by laying the handrail on its side and using the small block of Jellutong, it kept the top flat. I am happy basically with the colour which was achieved with a mixture of Humbrol air frame silver and Humbrol unbleached linen. After all the wires are in place on the ship I will give it a scruffy coat of Microscale Micro Flat. The handrail still need a little toning down. The area at the end where the handrail steps up was difficult to thread and keep clean(smooth) One can only guess at the assembly sequence that was used long ago. I have decided to break this area up by using some of the original stanchions at the step. the next picture shows some short pieces of original wire threaded through two set stanchions, the third one is free at the moment once I have got the new section ready to place into the holes I can fettle the short wires to create the transition from the old to the new. and the stepped end of the handrail will fit over the top of the original type stanchions. These will be fixed with a drop of CA. Michael FriedClams, mtaylor, Omega1234 and 15 others 18 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WackoWolf Posted February 8, 2017 Share #383 Posted February 8, 2017 Outstanding work, it's going to be better than before the accident. Omega1234, mtaylor, michael mott and 4 others 7 Quote Wacko Joe Go MSW :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted February 8, 2017 Share #384 Posted February 8, 2017 Sweet! mtaylor, Mirabell61, Omega1234 and 1 other 4 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted February 8, 2017 Share #385 Posted February 8, 2017 Hi MIchael, looking at the wide knowledge and skill you have and the techniqes you are using I can imagine that you perhaps one day might be tempted to build a complete and beautiful model of a steam driven passenger liner of your choise, out of the era of the "Albertic" early 1900`s or so.... Nils FriedClams, mtaylor, Omega1234 and 4 others 7 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted February 8, 2017 Share #386 Posted February 8, 2017 railings look very good Michael. thibaultron, Omega1234, Jack12477 and 1 other 4 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdT Posted February 8, 2017 Share #387 Posted February 8, 2017 Lovely work, Micheal. Ed thibaultron, mtaylor, Jack12477 and 1 other 4 Quote All EdT posted material Copyright 2016 Edward J Tosti Young America - extreme clipper 1853 Young America POB Version Modeling the Extreme Clipper Young America Vol 1 1:60 HMS Naiad 1797 The Naiad Frigate Vol I The Naiad Frigate Vol II1:96 Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share #388 Posted February 8, 2017 Again thanks for all the visits it is encouraging. Hi Nils I came to Canada on the Sylvania in October 1967 One day I would like to make a model of her. I have very fond memories of that 8 day trip. Just happened that we were in a force 10 for three days, with 40 foot waves, it was exciting for this young man at the time. But I also like these types of ships Michael FriedClams, mtaylor, Chasseur and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted February 8, 2017 Share #389 Posted February 8, 2017 Again thanks for all the visits it is encouraging. Hi Nils I came to Canada on the Sylvania in October 1967 One day I would like to make a model of her. I have very fond memories of that 8 day trip. Just happened that we were in a force 10 for three days, with 40 foot waves, it was exciting for this young man at the time. But I also like these types of ships Michael Yes Michael, those were lovely ships, and force 10 must be a bit frightening experience in your memory Nils thibaultron, FriedClams, Jack12477 and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted February 8, 2017 Share #390 Posted February 8, 2017 Michael, you're doing a beautiful job. And thanks for the Tyne Ship website, I'll have to build one. One of these days. So many to build, so little time. Ah, what is a boy to do? Bob Jack12477, WackoWolf, FriedClams and 5 others 8 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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