garyb Posted October 24, 2016 Share #1 Posted October 24, 2016 Well its time to make fresh start. So a new beginning a new project can you all stand another swan class build. Have not decided which one as the title says would like to do one that is different any suggestions. So it begins with a white tube from Admiralty models. Its the basic plans that will start the journey. Beware this is the first time I have ever done anything like this. So I hope you all will keep me on the right course. I'll try and make it different than other swan build where other members are leading the way in quality. In the next I will take a look at my version of a slipway (posh for base board) Yours Gary Elijah, Canute, Mike Y and 9 others 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted October 24, 2016 Share #2 Posted October 24, 2016 Looking forward to your build, Gary. I encourage you to spend some time thinking about how you wish to display her before starting the project. Options include in frame, partially planked, fully planked or windowed hull. Rigged vs. unrigged. Possibilities are endless. Plan on speding several years on the project. Don't forget that if you don't want to fully frame her due to the difficulty and time constraints you can use the frame patterns to do a plank on bulkhead model. I have seen very few Georgian style Swan class models and I think they are lovely. Elijah, mtaylor, michael mott and 3 others 6 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnobiumPunctatum Posted October 24, 2016 Share #3 Posted October 24, 2016 Welcome on the Swan Class shipyards. If you can see in my signature I am also working on a model. I decided to build HMS Fly, because I like the painted friezes. I will follow your log with interest Elijah, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted October 26, 2016 Author Share #4 Posted October 26, 2016 Greg and Christian thanks for replyingI've given it a lot of thought on how to display the model here are my first thoughts they will probably change. Fully framed with chocks and fastenings, whales on both sides and planked partly on one side don't know how much. Decks fully framed and part planked. Guns on one side only fully rigged. As to masts perhaps as if in reserve striped to lower masts and a little bit of rigging. Yours Gary druxey, AnobiumPunctatum, WackoWolf and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnobiumPunctatum Posted October 26, 2016 Share #5 Posted October 26, 2016 Gary, you are at the beginning of a very long journey. I think it will be a good idea to notice your thoughts about the appearance of the finished model, but it is not necessary to finish this thoughts in the moment. I am working a little bit longer on my model, but I am in a similar stage. I decided to notice what I linke to show and finalize these thoughts after completing the framing. One of my ideas is to show also the ship boats. But I haven't decide how. Stored, Beside the model or in a small scene with the real ship... One good idea is to have a look in the different building logs on MSW, see what other modelers did and decide if you like the appearance. WackoWolf, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share #6 Posted November 3, 2016 Hi all Just had a pleasant afternoon looking through the drawings and printing one or two. Wanted to check that I've the size right checking against the main drawing it appears so. But to check are the fig on the side and the bottom actual sizes for scale. Wanted to make sure its right before printing them all out. Thanks in advance. Yours Gary druxey, mtaylor and AnobiumPunctatum 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted November 6, 2016 Author Share #7 Posted November 6, 2016 Hi all Just finished printing all the frame patterns and trying a couple of photos to make sure i've got the size right as i'ts a new camera. Here goes Yours Garyj Canute, GuntherMT, Captain Poison and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewAnten Posted November 7, 2016 Share #8 Posted November 7, 2016 Thank you! very useful information! mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert Posted November 7, 2016 Share #9 Posted November 7, 2016 Good start work Gary. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share #10 Posted November 7, 2016 Hi all Today a box arived. Whats in the box ? I here you ask, well its not a secret its a swan timber package from Crown timberyard and miighty fine it looks. First job is to work out is which plank is for each part. Yours Gary albert, Captain Poison, WackoWolf and 12 others 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WackoWolf Posted November 7, 2016 Share #11 Posted November 7, 2016 Beautiful wood. I love the wood I have gotten from there, can't say enough about them. Brian the extraordinaire, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Wacko Joe Go MSW :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share #12 Posted January 11, 2017 First things first I would like to wish everybody a happy new year. Things have been a bit slow over the holiday period in fact nothing has been done for to long. When I last posted the frame patterns had been printed and timber sorted to which thickness was needed for what part. Now came the first problem off how to get the shapes for the stem and deadwood. The maylar plan could not be damaged as I would need it for a long time. first attack was to try to scan them but there was to much distortion. So I came with this method first drawing a grid on paper and placing it under the plan then I had a ref to draw the shape on the computer which made changes easy. Then it was just a case off placing under the plan to check the shapes. Yours Gary druxey, aviaamator, AnobiumPunctatum and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussben Posted January 11, 2017 Share #13 Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) Hi Gary, I scanned the entire Mylar and used autocad to trace the parts accurately and printed them on separate PDFs on normal printer paper Ben Edited February 4, 2017 by Trussben mtaylor, Canute, dvm27 and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted January 12, 2017 Share #14 Posted January 12, 2017 Gary, I'd take Ben up on his generous offer. But, what I do is scan just the part of the Mylar plan I am working on (such as the knee of the head) on my small scanner as a pdf file. I open them in Adobe Photoshop Elements and they print perfectly to scale. Just make sure you choose the "print actual size" option in the printer dialog box. druxey, Canute, WackoWolf and 2 others 5 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share #15 Posted January 13, 2017 Thank you Ben and Greg for your words off advice. Ben it would be helpful to take you up on your kind offer so have sent you a PM thank once again. Yours Gary mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviaamator Posted January 13, 2017 Share #16 Posted January 13, 2017 Good!!! Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted January 22, 2017 Author Share #17 Posted January 22, 2017 Hi All Just been comparing my drawings off the head stern and deadwood with the pdf's Ben sent me (Thanks again Ben ) and they match almost perfectly so must be doing some thing wright. So have made a start cutting out the paper patterns. There are so many its easy to see why these sort of models take so long. For a bit of a change I tried laying some off the parts out to get the best layout for glue on the timber. Yours Gary dvm27, mtaylor, WackoWolf and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted January 22, 2017 Share #18 Posted January 22, 2017 This is good, methodical planning! Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted February 2, 2017 Author Share #19 Posted February 2, 2017 Hi all druxey i'am trying to be mathodical so as not to waste wood as geting more to match might be a problem from across the water. Kevin I've been watching your build and found it a very informative and it's given me ideas to adapet to my way off working. Progress has been a bit slow but all the fore and aft cant frames have been cut out. Then I have moved on to the main frames. After getting most off them done I realised that I'd done them wrong in not allowing for the scarphs so have started them again.Well the good thing is it was only in paper and not wood. The wrong one is on the left. Yours Gary druxey, mtaylor, Ryland Craze and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted February 2, 2017 Share #20 Posted February 2, 2017 At least you realized this early in the game and no wood was harmed! dvm27, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussben Posted February 3, 2017 Share #21 Posted February 3, 2017 Yeh Gary, I have made some silly mistakes when cutting out frames, only piece of absolute advice I can definitely give is check the scale every time you print a set out plans for the framing - ask me how I know!! Ben Canute, WackoWolf, druxey and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share #22 Posted February 10, 2017 Ben I know been there done that best to check print settings after grand children have used it. Yours Gary Canute, mtaylor and druxey 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdrinker Posted June 24, 2020 Share #23 Posted June 24, 2020 On 2/3/2017 at 5:10 PM, Trussben said: Yeh Gary, I have made some silly mistakes when cutting out frames, only piece of absolute advice I can definitely give is check the scale every time you print a set out plans for the framing - ask me how I know!! Ben Have recently embarked on the Antscherl Practicum of the Swan Class (Pegasus 1/48) and am looking to connect to any willing to share their experience in that project, as there are inevitable questions that arise. Henry mtaylor and druxey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted June 24, 2020 Share #24 Posted June 24, 2020 Henry, The best way to do that is to also start a build log for it. Iam sure all of the folks who have built this will follow your progress as you build a Swan Class model. I encourage you to do so... Chuck druxey and mtaylor 2 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted June 24, 2020 Share #25 Posted June 24, 2020 Chuck is spot on Henry but you can also get in touch with most of us directly. I will be happy to discus anything you wish on WhatsApp, zoom etc. Of course we now have my YouTube video log and the Virtual reality images that Greg has recently published. mtaylor and druxey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdrinker Posted June 24, 2020 Share #26 Posted June 24, 2020 Thank you both. HD mtaylor and druxey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted June 24, 2020 Share #27 Posted June 24, 2020 By all means Henry, post a build log. As well, study the build videos posted by Kevin. They are very detailed and he happily shows his mistakes and how to correct them. In addition check out the many Swan class logs. Amongst them are Dan, Toni, Remco and Ben. They may already be tagged. If not perhaps Chuck can show how it's done. Greg druxey and mtaylor 2 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted June 24, 2020 Share #28 Posted June 24, 2020 Simply click on the tag in the title of this topic...."POF Swan Series" You will be presented with a nice list. We may have missed a few as we are still tagging. Perhaps Greg can send me a PM with a link of any that I might have missed. Chuck Ryland Craze, druxey and mtaylor 3 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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