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Model Shipways Bluenose, Sails or not

I will be building Model Shipways Bluenose and I'm undecided on whether to include sails or not or furled sails.  I'm curious what others think.  I know there are threads about the advantages or disadvantages of sails but I'm talking about one particular model, not models in general.  Thoughts???

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Controversial issue! I have seen people on MSW opine that sails actually ruin the model. Very often they will say that sails block the view and the viewer can't appreciate the model fully. They will tell you that you can never get the material to scale properly and it will always look wrong. I don't think I'm putting words in anyone's mouth here, there is a strong and vocal anti-sails contingent! And to be fair to them, sails on models ARE an excellent way to ruin a model by undoing all the carefull hull work with crude sails above it. Sails are very difficult to get right, they are deceptively troublesome. If you look at Completed Builds it's hard to find even very popular kits like the Pride of Baltimore or HMSVictory or Niagara with sails on them. I have not looked lately but at one point I could find only ONE Victory with sails on her in the Completed section. I'm going to say that deciding to add sails on a square rigged model, and try to get them right, adds an ENORMOUS amount of time to the build, perhaps weeks of work.

Plus if you do the sails, now you are obligated to do all the running rigging, and understand it too. Many reference works don't even touch on the running rigging of particular ships.

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But you did ask about the Bluenose in particular, not sails on models in general. Personally I'm in FAVOR of sails on all schooner models. Why? Because of the nature of the schooner rig. With no square yards schooners like Bluenose look particularly desolate with just a pair of naked sticks poking high up above the deck. From across the room, a Bluenose model with sails is going to look great and draw the eye. The huge volumes of space above the deck will be DEFINED by the sails. A bare-poled Bluenose will be hardly visible at all from across the room, and may actually appear to be incomplete. Also, rigging the Bluenose with sails is going to be relatively easy compared to rigging something square rigged, all you need to do is attach the halyards (which you would have to rig anyway) and put the sheets onto the headsails, you would already have sheets on he Fore and Main with bare poles.

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I agree with Frankie regarding including sails on schooners.  I do not like sails on square rigged models, but I have always had sails on schooner models.  I was not in favor of it the first time I built one, but I was given no choice so included them and have no regrets and   have included sails on schooners ever since. 

 

Just one more opinion

 

Allan

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Appreciate the advise.  I'm actually of the same opinion that sails can ruin a model and hide a lot of the details.  I've also read that furled sails are hard to make to scale.  But, with the Bluenose I thought it would make the model more complete by adding the sails.  Frankie just confirmed my thoughts.  I asked the Admiral to do the sails for me and she seemed disappointed when I said I wasn't going to add the sails.  I guess I can make her happy once again.  After all, it's all about the Admiral.

 

Thanks for the help

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Hello Les here. I agree with the above. A schooner can  support a set of sails. As a Canadian this is an iconic ship. I purchased the book Bluenose, by Brian and Phil Backman. It has several pictures of this ship under full sail and a full history. ISBN: 0-7710-1000-1. Highly recommended. Also if you rig her with sails maybe consider doing a base that makes her look under sail instead of the traditional vertical bases. Woodland Scenics has great suggestions bases upon railroad dioramas but has excellent water effects. Just saying.

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Great topic, I am wondering which way to go too, dressed or un-dressed Bluenose.

I think when it comes to ships like Bluenose, rigging them fully with sails is pleasing the eye.

While other ships with more complex rigging the sail might obscure the nice rigging details.

Bottom line - when I wil build my Bluenose, she will be "dressed".

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